This is ridiculous. In order to be fair, the college need only accept oversight if it is determined that the racial balance being accepted does not match the racial balance of qualified applicants.In that case, blind criteria must be adopted, which denies judgment on any racially identifiable characteristics.It is only racism, if race or it’s effective equivalent is involved.
“So if you are given everything BECAUSE of your race, religion, ethnicity, etc……, then explain to me how you are judged on the content of your character?”.It is to allow a member of a minority group that has been DISCRIMINATED against an opportunity they would usually be denied simply because of the color of their skin..Not “given everything”.
@Cjr53 and Nan – I disagree. The Michigan Law School had to allow an enormous disparity in SAT scores to make it work the way they wanted. In other words; they had to make the color of the minorities skin a priority over the ability to score well on a standardized test.
What Michigan will now have to do is ignore skin color and look only at Grades, LSAT scores, and fluff issues like: Volunteer hours and the like.
And that is what the Voting public of Michigan wanted in THEIR public institution. I would want the same thing if it came to a vote in my state.
@Nantucket – Actually, there is a very High Correlation between test scores and graduation rate. That is exactly why the good schools use them. SAT, LSAT, MCAT, are all good indicators of your current knowledge and your ability to use that knowledge to solve problems.
As to your claim about volunteer hours – I’m just not buying it. We live in a rural school district and I see good kids from farm families with chores and afterschool jobs still find time to help do volunteer work.
I’m a scout leader and my wife is a 4-H leader. We both work with kids who not only want to improve their own lives but the lives of their community.
But they come from Rural poor families so in your opinion it isn’t as important to let them into college as it is the Urban kids.There is plenty of poverty around this country to be had by all races. But some families buckle down and try to figure out how to overcome their obstacles. And other families try to blame others. The kids I’m working with will probably succeed because they have the “Character” mentioned above. The kids gliding into college on a race pass will last 1 year, maybe 2, and then drop out.
@Nan – I don’t believe I did tell you YOUR opinion. I told you My opinion and why I think the way I do.
By Openly supporting racial bias you are giving a desk to a student of color at the expense of a caucasion student that may also have grown up in impoverished circumstances.You act as though the only ones harmed by this policy are overpriviledged white kids but that just isn’t the case.
The Standardized test (LSAT, MCAT, etc.) is not the criteria for getting Through school. It is the critera for getting in. Typically, the criteria for getting through school is demonstrated mastery of the subject material.
I also don’t think you are doing a good job of characterizing those standardized tests. They do test on what you have learned, so far, but they also test your ability to synthesize information and to reach a conclusion based on evidence.
jluetge about 10 years ago
Excellent!
Mephistopheles about 10 years ago
Nicely said DaSharkie!!!!!
Lexekon about 10 years ago
This is ridiculous. In order to be fair, the college need only accept oversight if it is determined that the racial balance being accepted does not match the racial balance of qualified applicants.In that case, blind criteria must be adopted, which denies judgment on any racially identifiable characteristics.It is only racism, if race or it’s effective equivalent is involved.
chipscount about 10 years ago
this decision goes hand in hand with King’s dream
cjr53 about 10 years ago
“So if you are given everything BECAUSE of your race, religion, ethnicity, etc……, then explain to me how you are judged on the content of your character?”.It is to allow a member of a minority group that has been DISCRIMINATED against an opportunity they would usually be denied simply because of the color of their skin..Not “given everything”.
cjr53 about 10 years ago
For example, once admitted to college, they still need to perform in order to avoid flunking out.
zeimetr about 10 years ago
Exactly!
Mephistopheles about 10 years ago
@Cjr53 and Nan – I disagree. The Michigan Law School had to allow an enormous disparity in SAT scores to make it work the way they wanted. In other words; they had to make the color of the minorities skin a priority over the ability to score well on a standardized test.
What Michigan will now have to do is ignore skin color and look only at Grades, LSAT scores, and fluff issues like: Volunteer hours and the like.
And that is what the Voting public of Michigan wanted in THEIR public institution. I would want the same thing if it came to a vote in my state.
maskwbi about 10 years ago
All anybody wants is a level playing field…Said no one ever!
Mephistopheles about 10 years ago
@Nantucket – Actually, there is a very High Correlation between test scores and graduation rate. That is exactly why the good schools use them. SAT, LSAT, MCAT, are all good indicators of your current knowledge and your ability to use that knowledge to solve problems.
As to your claim about volunteer hours – I’m just not buying it. We live in a rural school district and I see good kids from farm families with chores and afterschool jobs still find time to help do volunteer work.
I’m a scout leader and my wife is a 4-H leader. We both work with kids who not only want to improve their own lives but the lives of their community.
But they come from Rural poor families so in your opinion it isn’t as important to let them into college as it is the Urban kids.There is plenty of poverty around this country to be had by all races. But some families buckle down and try to figure out how to overcome their obstacles. And other families try to blame others. The kids I’m working with will probably succeed because they have the “Character” mentioned above. The kids gliding into college on a race pass will last 1 year, maybe 2, and then drop out.
Not the Smartest Man On the Planet -- Maybe Close Premium Member about 10 years ago
Cliven Bundy applauds this decision.
Mephistopheles about 10 years ago
@Nan – I don’t believe I did tell you YOUR opinion. I told you My opinion and why I think the way I do.
By Openly supporting racial bias you are giving a desk to a student of color at the expense of a caucasion student that may also have grown up in impoverished circumstances.You act as though the only ones harmed by this policy are overpriviledged white kids but that just isn’t the case.
The Standardized test (LSAT, MCAT, etc.) is not the criteria for getting Through school. It is the critera for getting in. Typically, the criteria for getting through school is demonstrated mastery of the subject material.
I also don’t think you are doing a good job of characterizing those standardized tests. They do test on what you have learned, so far, but they also test your ability to synthesize information and to reach a conclusion based on evidence.
SClark55 Premium Member about 10 years ago
If you have prejudged a majority, and think they will always look down on minorities, you’re the bigot.
louieglutz about 10 years ago
judging by the actions of his 4 little children, character didn’t catch on very well.