So everyone was right about yesterday. What are we going to do today, tomorrow, next week, next month, and next year. The past is lost. How do we move in the future? We must start with a unified, bipartisan plan drafted in a spirit of civility and respect.Curiously,C.
No matter what we do now, it is going to be a bloody mess there. We are better off staying out – like we should have done all along. But as Respectful Troll says, we can’t cry over the past. We can learn from it and adjust our future actions accordingly. And that means keeping troops out. It also means getting troops out of Afghanistan. The citizens of those countries will have to sort it out for themselves, even if we don’t like the result.
Everything going on over there is essentially two groups of Muslims who are trying to kill each other off, have been doing it since before America was even a country, and will continue to do so until one side or the other succeeds.It will make no difference to us which side succeeds, because we are infidels so they both feel obligated to kill us off too. The best course for us is to let them kill each other off and weaken themselves enough that we can easily take the winner when they have time to decide to come after us.Meanwhile, It has nothing to do with us, and we should drone anyone who bothers countries outside of their little war zone and otherwise leave them the hell alone.
Test the Darpa robots and the latest drones. Do not send people. When the world learns that Americans can kill from the living room couch they will be too afraid to try anything.
A little look at the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and U.S. involvement in creating “Iraq”, first installing, then betraying, King Faisal, is all a part of the history of our miserable failures (meaning “the west”, not just U.S.) in attempting to control the resources of the Middle East to “our” comfort.
The story of the Peacock Throne in Iran is also worth some consideration. There IS a lot of “tribalism”, and it isn’t simply Shia vs. Sunni, but we’re very bad at letting history be a learning experience.
But not to worry, Americans with the greatest ignorance, will always have the strongest opinions, and sadly, provide “leadership” from “deciders”.
Some opinions here show the common mistake of US citizens, of believing that the people who call the shots in your government are actually interested in reform or influence other societies to adopt democracy or to be friends with USA.
Those are only the excuses. The real motivation is to have enough presence or leverage to pry other nation’s resources and benefit the economical interests of US companies. No matter what will happen to those nations peoples. In this light, the militar and other forms of interventions have all the logic: to obtain those resources and benefits before other powers (Russia, China, European Union) get the hegemonic influence in there.
“fingerpainter”, actually do speak a little German and Japanese, but very rusty after not using the vocabulary for a long time (especially the Japanese, but it was fun to use it again in Tokyo in ’67 R & R)
Which, mdavis, as LBJ left in January 69, turning it over to Nixon, how did losing it from that point ’til 75 when FORD finally ended the stupidity, with a loss, make it “the Democrats”?? (BTW, hated LBJ when I was “in country” and losing friends, then Nixon and Henry screwed the pooch even worse, and for longer, so their “buds” could keep making deals and money, while more of my friends were killed.)
Dtroutma over 10 years ago
The first step in was the dumb one, in1991,
chazandru over 10 years ago
So everyone was right about yesterday. What are we going to do today, tomorrow, next week, next month, and next year. The past is lost. How do we move in the future? We must start with a unified, bipartisan plan drafted in a spirit of civility and respect.Curiously,C.
Jason Allen over 10 years ago
We need to reboot the voters.
Enoki over 10 years ago
Getting involved in tribal warfare in the Middle East is a mistake. We’re better off just selling all of them weapons for cash like the Russians do.
cdward over 10 years ago
No matter what we do now, it is going to be a bloody mess there. We are better off staying out – like we should have done all along. But as Respectful Troll says, we can’t cry over the past. We can learn from it and adjust our future actions accordingly. And that means keeping troops out. It also means getting troops out of Afghanistan. The citizens of those countries will have to sort it out for themselves, even if we don’t like the result.
Diane Lee Premium Member over 10 years ago
Everything going on over there is essentially two groups of Muslims who are trying to kill each other off, have been doing it since before America was even a country, and will continue to do so until one side or the other succeeds.It will make no difference to us which side succeeds, because we are infidels so they both feel obligated to kill us off too. The best course for us is to let them kill each other off and weaken themselves enough that we can easily take the winner when they have time to decide to come after us.Meanwhile, It has nothing to do with us, and we should drone anyone who bothers countries outside of their little war zone and otherwise leave them the hell alone.
Hectoruno over 10 years ago
Test the Darpa robots and the latest drones. Do not send people. When the world learns that Americans can kill from the living room couch they will be too afraid to try anything.
Hectoruno over 10 years ago
CALL of DUTY: We are now real.
I Play One On TV over 10 years ago
Hear, hear. Well stated, and absolutely correct. Thanks.
Dtroutma over 10 years ago
A little look at the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and U.S. involvement in creating “Iraq”, first installing, then betraying, King Faisal, is all a part of the history of our miserable failures (meaning “the west”, not just U.S.) in attempting to control the resources of the Middle East to “our” comfort.
The story of the Peacock Throne in Iran is also worth some consideration. There IS a lot of “tribalism”, and it isn’t simply Shia vs. Sunni, but we’re very bad at letting history be a learning experience.
But not to worry, Americans with the greatest ignorance, will always have the strongest opinions, and sadly, provide “leadership” from “deciders”.
pirate227 over 10 years ago
Have they greeted us as liberators yet…
kaffekup over 10 years ago
McCain seems disappointed it’s not American soldiers fighting and dying in Fallujah…
Dtroutma over 10 years ago
Tigger: you’re referring to the U.N. that existed in 1918, right??
Garfield El Peregrino over 10 years ago
Some opinions here show the common mistake of US citizens, of believing that the people who call the shots in your government are actually interested in reform or influence other societies to adopt democracy or to be friends with USA.
Those are only the excuses. The real motivation is to have enough presence or leverage to pry other nation’s resources and benefit the economical interests of US companies. No matter what will happen to those nations peoples. In this light, the militar and other forms of interventions have all the logic: to obtain those resources and benefits before other powers (Russia, China, European Union) get the hegemonic influence in there.
Dtroutma over 10 years ago
“fingerpainter”, actually do speak a little German and Japanese, but very rusty after not using the vocabulary for a long time (especially the Japanese, but it was fun to use it again in Tokyo in ’67 R & R)
Which, mdavis, as LBJ left in January 69, turning it over to Nixon, how did losing it from that point ’til 75 when FORD finally ended the stupidity, with a loss, make it “the Democrats”?? (BTW, hated LBJ when I was “in country” and losing friends, then Nixon and Henry screwed the pooch even worse, and for longer, so their “buds” could keep making deals and money, while more of my friends were killed.)