Tyranny…here in the U.S.?!? Really!!! We don’t live in the 1700’s. We don’t need buggy whips anymore either due to a change in how American’s live. Same goes for firearms. I certainly don’t propose we make firearms illegal however isn’t there something that can be done to make them less accessable? Perhaps it’s “arm chair” quarterbacking, however it pains me greatly to see “children” killed by the use of firearms in of all places at “school” (grade, junior, high &/or college) and I’m not to happy when it happens to adults either like in DC. Frankly, we live in a society where “protection” should come from the police and not some play on “stand your ground”.
Even the National Guard in all states in the U.S. regulate who has access to the guns, and sets limits on when they can be loaded, and carried outside the armories!! For one thing, if you don’t qualify with the firearm on the range, you DO NOT get one!
Just of course a minor point the NRA doesn’t believe in, like they’re maintaining a database the government is prohibited to maintain on gun owners!
The 2nd amendment was written when a, "gun"’, was a device that took a user 30 seconds to1 full minute to load & fire each round. Not even the Founding Fathers would be so STUPID as to make it a Constitutional Right for anyone to own a machine that can KILL 1000 PEOPLE in 30 to 60 seconds!
Don’t forget to thank uncle ronnir raygun for that. He started closing mental health facilities in California and then took it nationwide. Sure he saved money and put people out of work, but hay, he saved some money at first. With the unstable on the street, the police and courts had to take over, all the savings gone.
Being a foreigner, I really do not understand your devotion to this amendment? I can see the reasoning for putting it in there – namely to defend the US against a British land invasion, but that’s hardly valid today.
Are you looking to defend yourself against the evil government or something? You do know that Obama will not be driving down your road in a tank? It will be a fresh-faced youth in a uniform (probably your neighbour’s son) knocking on your door asking for your gun. And you want to defend yourself against him?
And incidentally it’s surely too late. You have way too many guns around to fix the problem by now. We’ll wait for you to kill yourselves off, and then we’ll move into what you have left of your country and try it again, but this time getting it right.
The GOP hasn’t really done anything about improving mental health in this country, either. That means spending government money, and they’re ideologically opposed to that as much as to any further control of the flow of weapons.
Note: the ’toon references the Second, and that “Well regulated” militia, which was my point about the “Guard”.
Agent Smith: well aware that gate guards, most often any more contractors, are the only armed folks on lots of posts, like Pt. Hueneme, Beal AFB, and even posts where there ARE lots of guns inside, LOCKED UP IN ARMORIES!!
But what really gets me, is every time there IS a shooting incident, all the bleating from the right and NRA types, who can’t even come up with a single independent thought on the issue, or any way to actually solve problems without methods that would most likely only get MORE people killed! They just wag their stubby little tails, and cry that there’s a wolf behind every bush that will eat them, if they don’t have a gun. (That most folks likely haven’t a clue how to use effectively!)
Yes, they have “whited out” any sanity, so Bennett’s message IS lost on them.
Defend ourselves??? Have you noticed the government has tanks, drones, missiles etc… While you are defending the second amendment the government is destroying the other 9 in the bill of rights – when are all 2nd amendment defenders going to step up and defend us?
Can any of the righties give a rational, logical, clear explanation of why under the Second Amendment I can’t have a shoulder-mounted tactical nuke launcher? After all, it seems a given that I should be able to have an AR-15, right? Or a sniper rifle that can kill at way over a mile? Even though they are much more powerful weapons unimagined by the authors of the Second. So why not my tactical nuke…which is also a much more powerful weapon unimagined by the authors of the Second?
“So that answers the militia question”No, it doesn’t, because you chose to take out the “well-regulated’ part.”Regulation depends on you having the self-discipline to practice."Really? Is that how you think regulation is done? So we should do away with road rules, drivers’ licenses and car safety regulation and instead just rely on people’s “self-discipline”???
“You obviously know little about gun laws or guns”Perhaps that explains why I asked the question, then?“You are correct in that restricting you from having a shoulder launched nuke is not covered under 2nd amendment”Why not? You failed to answer that. Why should other weapons far more powerful and deadly than what could have been imagined by the authors be allowed, but not others? Who gets to draw the line, and on what basis?The rest of your post is for some reason nothing more than a meaningless discussion of sniping that has nothing to do with my point. I’m well aware of how snipers function, but all I said was “a sniper rifle that can kill at way over a mile”…and that is true, unlike a Revolutionary War musket.
mskemple: while your commentary on trained shooters is basically correct, that 700 yard grouping is quite feasible by those trained shooters, with iron sights, not even scopes! After ‘Nam, had the opportunity to shoot with the Army competitive team based at Ft. Benning, while i wasn’t ON the team. The Barrett .50 doesn’t see 700 yards to a kilometer as much of a challenge, at all! With the new “computer” scopes, available even to the general public for that weapon, it gets “spooky” indeed!
BTW: many PISTOLS today, have a far greater range, accuracy, and firepower, than the RIFLES available in 1779! Technology has changed, and might have changed the views of the writers of the Constitution, had they had the foresight to see what is now “on the open market” to civilians.
Hitler could only dream of what Barry is doing. The Nazi’s never got to have the tools that Barry has to use. Hitler would have loved to get the power the federal imperial gubmint has now.
2011worldchamps over 10 years ago
First step towards tyranny: Remove the guns from the hands of people.
rawsea over 10 years ago
@2011worldchamps
Tyranny…here in the U.S.?!? Really!!! We don’t live in the 1700’s. We don’t need buggy whips anymore either due to a change in how American’s live. Same goes for firearms. I certainly don’t propose we make firearms illegal however isn’t there something that can be done to make them less accessable? Perhaps it’s “arm chair” quarterbacking, however it pains me greatly to see “children” killed by the use of firearms in of all places at “school” (grade, junior, high &/or college) and I’m not to happy when it happens to adults either like in DC. Frankly, we live in a society where “protection” should come from the police and not some play on “stand your ground”.
Dtroutma over 10 years ago
Even the National Guard in all states in the U.S. regulate who has access to the guns, and sets limits on when they can be loaded, and carried outside the armories!! For one thing, if you don’t qualify with the firearm on the range, you DO NOT get one!
Just of course a minor point the NRA doesn’t believe in, like they’re maintaining a database the government is prohibited to maintain on gun owners!
NoSleepTil_BKLYN over 10 years ago
The 2nd amendment was written when a, "gun"’, was a device that took a user 30 seconds to1 full minute to load & fire each round. Not even the Founding Fathers would be so STUPID as to make it a Constitutional Right for anyone to own a machine that can KILL 1000 PEOPLE in 30 to 60 seconds!
cjr53 over 10 years ago
Don’t forget to thank uncle ronnir raygun for that. He started closing mental health facilities in California and then took it nationwide. Sure he saved money and put people out of work, but hay, he saved some money at first. With the unstable on the street, the police and courts had to take over, all the savings gone.
yusodum over 10 years ago
Being a foreigner, I really do not understand your devotion to this amendment? I can see the reasoning for putting it in there – namely to defend the US against a British land invasion, but that’s hardly valid today.
Are you looking to defend yourself against the evil government or something? You do know that Obama will not be driving down your road in a tank? It will be a fresh-faced youth in a uniform (probably your neighbour’s son) knocking on your door asking for your gun. And you want to defend yourself against him?
And incidentally it’s surely too late. You have way too many guns around to fix the problem by now. We’ll wait for you to kill yourselves off, and then we’ll move into what you have left of your country and try it again, but this time getting it right.
jqmcd over 10 years ago
and mdavis4183, Somalia has everything you want in a country, very small weak government, and no control of guns. Enjoy your trip!
jqmcd over 10 years ago
The GOP hasn’t really done anything about improving mental health in this country, either. That means spending government money, and they’re ideologically opposed to that as much as to any further control of the flow of weapons.
adherent#1 over 10 years ago
I wish some of that white-out had fallen on the “Affordable Health Care Act.”
billronay over 10 years ago
T’ain’t funny Magee….
Dtroutma over 10 years ago
Note: the ’toon references the Second, and that “Well regulated” militia, which was my point about the “Guard”.
Agent Smith: well aware that gate guards, most often any more contractors, are the only armed folks on lots of posts, like Pt. Hueneme, Beal AFB, and even posts where there ARE lots of guns inside, LOCKED UP IN ARMORIES!!
But what really gets me, is every time there IS a shooting incident, all the bleating from the right and NRA types, who can’t even come up with a single independent thought on the issue, or any way to actually solve problems without methods that would most likely only get MORE people killed! They just wag their stubby little tails, and cry that there’s a wolf behind every bush that will eat them, if they don’t have a gun. (That most folks likely haven’t a clue how to use effectively!)
Yes, they have “whited out” any sanity, so Bennett’s message IS lost on them.
ScubaHawk over 10 years ago
Defend ourselves??? Have you noticed the government has tanks, drones, missiles etc… While you are defending the second amendment the government is destroying the other 9 in the bill of rights – when are all 2nd amendment defenders going to step up and defend us?
Don Winchester Premium Member over 10 years ago
Again with motherjones. No wonder you’re so messed up.
riley05 over 10 years ago
Can any of the righties give a rational, logical, clear explanation of why under the Second Amendment I can’t have a shoulder-mounted tactical nuke launcher? After all, it seems a given that I should be able to have an AR-15, right? Or a sniper rifle that can kill at way over a mile? Even though they are much more powerful weapons unimagined by the authors of the Second. So why not my tactical nuke…which is also a much more powerful weapon unimagined by the authors of the Second?
griffthegreat over 10 years ago
No civilian should have grenades, machine guns, flame throwers, etc. Join the Nat’l Guard if your manhood is in doubt.
riley05 over 10 years ago
“So that answers the militia question”No, it doesn’t, because you chose to take out the “well-regulated’ part.”Regulation depends on you having the self-discipline to practice."Really? Is that how you think regulation is done? So we should do away with road rules, drivers’ licenses and car safety regulation and instead just rely on people’s “self-discipline”???
riley05 over 10 years ago
“You obviously know little about gun laws or guns”Perhaps that explains why I asked the question, then?“You are correct in that restricting you from having a shoulder launched nuke is not covered under 2nd amendment”Why not? You failed to answer that. Why should other weapons far more powerful and deadly than what could have been imagined by the authors be allowed, but not others? Who gets to draw the line, and on what basis?The rest of your post is for some reason nothing more than a meaningless discussion of sniping that has nothing to do with my point. I’m well aware of how snipers function, but all I said was “a sniper rifle that can kill at way over a mile”…and that is true, unlike a Revolutionary War musket.
Dtroutma over 10 years ago
mskemple: while your commentary on trained shooters is basically correct, that 700 yard grouping is quite feasible by those trained shooters, with iron sights, not even scopes! After ‘Nam, had the opportunity to shoot with the Army competitive team based at Ft. Benning, while i wasn’t ON the team. The Barrett .50 doesn’t see 700 yards to a kilometer as much of a challenge, at all! With the new “computer” scopes, available even to the general public for that weapon, it gets “spooky” indeed!
Dtroutma over 10 years ago
BTW: many PISTOLS today, have a far greater range, accuracy, and firepower, than the RIFLES available in 1779! Technology has changed, and might have changed the views of the writers of the Constitution, had they had the foresight to see what is now “on the open market” to civilians.
PAULHARVEY over 10 years ago
If you can take it off and land it, and afford the fuel, go for it.
PAULHARVEY over 10 years ago
Hitler could only dream of what Barry is doing. The Nazi’s never got to have the tools that Barry has to use. Hitler would have loved to get the power the federal imperial gubmint has now.