Consider California’s net domestic migration (migration between states). From 2000 through 2009, California lost a NET 1.5 million people.
Net departures slowed in 2008 only because people couldn’t sell their homes. But more people still leave each year — in 2011 we lost about 100,000 net people to domestic out-migration.
Again, note that this is NET loss.
http://www.newgeography.com/content/002585-new-census-data-reaffirms-dominance-south and http://tinyurl.com/2011-CA-migration
These are not welfare kings and queens departing. They are the young, the educated, the productive, the ambitious, the wealthy (such as Tiger Woods) – and retirees seeking to make their pensions provide more bang for the buck.
Too often these departing seniors are retired state and local government employees fleeing the state that provides them with their opulent pensions – in order to avoid the high taxes that these same employees pushed so hard through their unions. And once they move out of California, our state can no longer tax their California-paid pensions.
If you are seriously interested in a wonky explanation of why people are leaving CA (almost 4 million NET net domestic OUT migration in the last 20 years), visit my updated dreary fact sheet, comparing CA with the other 49 states. Each fact is verified with a URL.
“California” social structure, and economic problem, is mostly determined by easterners who moved there, like Ronald Reagan. If Texas didn’t have the state’s oil revenues, including off-shore that the charge a LOT more for than the feds do, the states "tax policy’ would see them bankrupt in a week or two.Oh, right, take away all that federal spending on NASA and defense, among other things, and Texas would also be impaled on the “shaft” of reality.
What’s interesting in comparing the unemployment rate of Texas and California is that Texas has a much lower unemployment rate IN SPITE OF the INFLUX of hundreds of thousands of migrants seeking better opportunities.
Meanwhile CA has a HIGH unemployment rate IN SPITE OF the DEPARTURE of hundreds of thousands of residents — usually seeking better economic opportunities.
CA has the 3rd highest state unemployment rate. (November, 2012) – 9.8%. National unemployment rate 7.7%. National unemployment rate not including CA is only 7.4%, making the CA unemployment rate 32.2% higher than the average of the other 49 states. http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
Using the more accurate U-6 measure of unemployment (includes involuntary part-time workers), CA is the 2nd worst at 19.6% vs. national 15.0%. National U-6 not including CA is 14.4%, making CA’s U-6 36.4% higher than the average of the other 49 states. http://www.bls.gov/lau/stalt.htm
Think CA is a conservative state? REALLY????From Wikipedia:“The California State Legislature currently has a Democratic supermajority, with the Senate consisting of 29 Democrats and 11 Republicans and the Assembly consisting of 55 Democrats and 25 Republicans. Except for the period from 1995 to 1996, the Assembly has been in Democratic hands since the 1970 election (even while the governor’s office has gone back and forth between Republicans and Democrats). The Senate has been in Democratic hands continuously since 1970.”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Legislature
Yes, we breed, we have international net immigration, and we live longer. But when one looks at people in the U.S. moving to and from CA, we are a hemorrhaging state.
Californians have been leaving in droves for decades, yet more idiots from elsewhere move there to replace them. Becasue the grass is always greener. (I live in Carson City, NV)
I lived in Great Falls Montana for awhile in my youth, it is about the same latitude as North Dakota. During the winter the high for one week was -10 degrees Fahrenheit. It would take a job with a pay of about $100,000 to get me back there in that kind of weather. So, I can indeed see why such a state has problems with obtaining people to live and work there!
And there are cities that are either bankrupt, totally broke, or just about in that condition throughout the US, as well as many such cities throughout the world besides. But over all California still has a $2.1 trillion dollar economy. Which is just about $500 billion more than the next highest GDP state within the US.
I think you’re missing the point Mech,it’s typically cost a company quite a bit more to completely move operations out of a state to another state then to stay. If the economic incentive to move, including the cost of the move, the new infrastructure and hiring of new staff and training is more viable then staying, that says a lot about the current business environment in California.You can look at California’s own Governor’s Office of Business and Economic Development and be hard pressed to find them talking about a single business moving into the state. There is expansion in current business and small businesses are starting all of the time. But no major business has moved into California for some time and some major businesses have left the state for better business conditions.Couple this with current California businesses expanding outside California as well and you get the picture that all is not well with the business climate in California. For example, Scott McNealy had a new start-up last year that he located to Colorado, not in Silicon Valley. When tech giants themselves are looking outside of Silicon Valley for better places to do business, then the politicians in this state need to pull their heads out.
Mike31g over 11 years ago
Explain please!I’m assuming it is because I live in the UK, but this ‘toon’ makes no sense!ThanksMike
jonesb over 11 years ago
Exactly.
greyolddave over 11 years ago
Actually its all the conservatives who are moving to Texas to be there when it cedes from the Union.
ajc60803 over 11 years ago
48 states actually. I can’t think of one good reason why anyone in their right mind would move here to Illinois. LOL :~)
Mephistopheles over 11 years ago
It’s the producers that are leaving. Those that stay behind love to get a free handout but there’s no one left to produce that handout.
California is fast approaching the tipping point where it cannot sustain itself.
Michael Capelle over 11 years ago
Um, California had the highest job growth of any state in the past 12 months.
Francis Lapeyre Premium Member over 11 years ago
Plus, California’s job growth is going to tank one those self-imposed tax increases (via Prop. 30) kick in.
josefw over 11 years ago
I posted this on Joel Pett but felt it was appropriate here as well.
Do you live in a “Death Spiral” state? More takers than makers?
http://www.therealestatemedia.com/death-spiral-states-forbes-says-11-states-are-in-a-downward-spiral-with-more-takers-than-makers-2777.html
josefw over 11 years ago
I live in Las Vegas, NV and yes, they are slowly migrating here.
Richard Rider over 11 years ago
Consider this: If you rent a U-Haul from California to Houston, you’ll pay about 3 times more than if you rent a U-Haul from Houston to CA.
The reason? U-Haul needs people to drive the U-Hauls back to the “Golden State” for the next wave of departing refugees.
Richard Rider over 11 years ago
Consider California’s net domestic migration (migration between states). From 2000 through 2009, California lost a NET 1.5 million people.
Net departures slowed in 2008 only because people couldn’t sell their homes. But more people still leave each year — in 2011 we lost about 100,000 net people to domestic out-migration.
Again, note that this is NET loss.
http://www.newgeography.com/content/002585-new-census-data-reaffirms-dominance-south and http://tinyurl.com/2011-CA-migration
These are not welfare kings and queens departing. They are the young, the educated, the productive, the ambitious, the wealthy (such as Tiger Woods) – and retirees seeking to make their pensions provide more bang for the buck.
Too often these departing seniors are retired state and local government employees fleeing the state that provides them with their opulent pensions – in order to avoid the high taxes that these same employees pushed so hard through their unions. And once they move out of California, our state can no longer tax their California-paid pensions.
Richard Rider over 11 years ago
If you are seriously interested in a wonky explanation of why people are leaving CA (almost 4 million NET net domestic OUT migration in the last 20 years), visit my updated dreary fact sheet, comparing CA with the other 49 states. Each fact is verified with a URL.
www.TinyURL.com/CA-vs-other-states
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
“California” social structure, and economic problem, is mostly determined by easterners who moved there, like Ronald Reagan. If Texas didn’t have the state’s oil revenues, including off-shore that the charge a LOT more for than the feds do, the states "tax policy’ would see them bankrupt in a week or two.Oh, right, take away all that federal spending on NASA and defense, among other things, and Texas would also be impaled on the “shaft” of reality.
Richard Rider over 11 years ago
What’s interesting in comparing the unemployment rate of Texas and California is that Texas has a much lower unemployment rate IN SPITE OF the INFLUX of hundreds of thousands of migrants seeking better opportunities.
Meanwhile CA has a HIGH unemployment rate IN SPITE OF the DEPARTURE of hundreds of thousands of residents — usually seeking better economic opportunities.
Richard Rider over 11 years ago
CA has the 3rd highest state unemployment rate. (November, 2012) – 9.8%. National unemployment rate 7.7%. National unemployment rate not including CA is only 7.4%, making the CA unemployment rate 32.2% higher than the average of the other 49 states. http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
Using the more accurate U-6 measure of unemployment (includes involuntary part-time workers), CA is the 2nd worst at 19.6% vs. national 15.0%. National U-6 not including CA is 14.4%, making CA’s U-6 36.4% higher than the average of the other 49 states. http://www.bls.gov/lau/stalt.htm
Richard Rider over 11 years ago
Think CA is a conservative state? REALLY????From Wikipedia:“The California State Legislature currently has a Democratic supermajority, with the Senate consisting of 29 Democrats and 11 Republicans and the Assembly consisting of 55 Democrats and 25 Republicans. Except for the period from 1995 to 1996, the Assembly has been in Democratic hands since the 1970 election (even while the governor’s office has gone back and forth between Republicans and Democrats). The Senate has been in Democratic hands continuously since 1970.”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Legislature
Richard Rider over 11 years ago
Yes, we breed, we have international net immigration, and we live longer. But when one looks at people in the U.S. moving to and from CA, we are a hemorrhaging state.
water_moon over 11 years ago
Californians have been leaving in droves for decades, yet more idiots from elsewhere move there to replace them. Becasue the grass is always greener. (I live in Carson City, NV)
frodo1008 over 11 years ago
By the way, as a patriotic American I am more than happy to see California helping out other states by sending them at least some of our businesses!
frodo1008 over 11 years ago
I lived in Great Falls Montana for awhile in my youth, it is about the same latitude as North Dakota. During the winter the high for one week was -10 degrees Fahrenheit. It would take a job with a pay of about $100,000 to get me back there in that kind of weather. So, I can indeed see why such a state has problems with obtaining people to live and work there!
And there are cities that are either bankrupt, totally broke, or just about in that condition throughout the US, as well as many such cities throughout the world besides. But over all California still has a $2.1 trillion dollar economy. Which is just about $500 billion more than the next highest GDP state within the US.
Mike31g over 11 years ago
Thanks for your explanationMike
dpbriley over 11 years ago
I think you’re missing the point Mech,it’s typically cost a company quite a bit more to completely move operations out of a state to another state then to stay. If the economic incentive to move, including the cost of the move, the new infrastructure and hiring of new staff and training is more viable then staying, that says a lot about the current business environment in California.You can look at California’s own Governor’s Office of Business and Economic Development and be hard pressed to find them talking about a single business moving into the state. There is expansion in current business and small businesses are starting all of the time. But no major business has moved into California for some time and some major businesses have left the state for better business conditions.Couple this with current California businesses expanding outside California as well and you get the picture that all is not well with the business climate in California. For example, Scott McNealy had a new start-up last year that he located to Colorado, not in Silicon Valley. When tech giants themselves are looking outside of Silicon Valley for better places to do business, then the politicians in this state need to pull their heads out.