George’s legacy will last a long time – a president so incompetent he almost destroyed economies. The question now is whether congress will co-operate in the recovery.
Gypsy, whether or not I agree with you…(and I do)That was then, this is now.No matter who left the water on in the tub, it’s going to take both parties and a whole nation of citizens to mop up the mess. Every time a person points to the past, they fail to look to the future. The past is a source of information, it tells us what we did that worked or didn’t work. The future is where we put those lessons to work.This is where we are NOW. What will those we’ve elected, PARTICULARLY the legislature, do to move us forward.Respectfully,C.
The REAL effort, and change, needs to be from MR. Boehner, and Senator McConnell, to finally lead with some dignity, and intelligence, lacking for the last four years.
Who are the intelligent, educated moderates of the Republican party? I’m not saying there are none, I just want to know who they are, and where they were in the last election cycle. I heard David Frum (arguing against Mary Matalin) last night, and I heard Condoliza Rice this morning, both of them saying that the party needs to open up to the changing demographic, but neither one saying that they need to change any fundamental policy.
“…..Raising taxes on people over $250,000 is stupid……”.So you want to safeguard the income of the wealthy, despite a burgeoning deficit, ongoing foreign wars at $2 billion per week, and a multitude of committed spending. That’s safeguarding the income of Buffet, Gates, Trump, every player in the NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLB, every movie star, most hedge fund managers, most congressmen, and on and on. Some, like Buffet, Gates, and others want to pay more taxes because they are smart people and realize it is necessary for the good of the nation. You, who I presume is not a rich man, want to safeguard the income of the rich for what reason – so you and the middle class can pay more? Or no one pays and the nation goes bankrupt? Its beyond bizarre, its incredibly stupid.
You miss the entire point of the structure of the republic. Obama as president traditionally sets a direction and proposes programs. He is but one (albeit powerful) arm of our government. Ried, McConnell, Boehner, and Pelosi are leaders of their party within their legislative bodies. They represent the embodiment of the people in introducing their own programs, changing ones the president puts forth or denying him altogether. That is the way (simplistic view) that it is supposed to work in our Constitutional Republic.
We don’t have an income problem. We have a spending problem. Stop the spending – Duh! Question: how many of you submitters are debt free – I’ll bet few or none.
@Gypsy8 – Excellent – good for you. Then you know exactly what I am talking about. We have been debt free for 10 years – what a wonderful feeling. We don’t drive expensive showoff cars or live in a mansion but we have fun every day knowing that we do not need to make some silly payments. Now, if we can just change the mindset of the country to do the same. But truthfully, the downside of that would be that the economy would tank with people buys less stuff.But at any rate, yes, the US has a spending problem and we see not sign that it will get better.
" It is now an argument between intelligent, educated moderates of both parties against the ignorant hard-right lunatic fringe."You had it right up till the very end. Your pointing here to the ’right" lunatic fringe lumps you right into that group with the blinders that continue to block any kind of progress in this country. Until people like you can see that the left and right both have lunatic fringes blocking progress then you will continue to be part of the problem and not part of the solution.
Gypsy8 over 11 years ago
George’s legacy will last a long time – a president so incompetent he almost destroyed economies. The question now is whether congress will co-operate in the recovery.
chazandru over 11 years ago
Gypsy, whether or not I agree with you…(and I do)That was then, this is now.No matter who left the water on in the tub, it’s going to take both parties and a whole nation of citizens to mop up the mess. Every time a person points to the past, they fail to look to the future. The past is a source of information, it tells us what we did that worked or didn’t work. The future is where we put those lessons to work.This is where we are NOW. What will those we’ve elected, PARTICULARLY the legislature, do to move us forward.Respectfully,C.
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
The REAL effort, and change, needs to be from MR. Boehner, and Senator McConnell, to finally lead with some dignity, and intelligence, lacking for the last four years.
lonecat over 11 years ago
Who are the intelligent, educated moderates of the Republican party? I’m not saying there are none, I just want to know who they are, and where they were in the last election cycle. I heard David Frum (arguing against Mary Matalin) last night, and I heard Condoliza Rice this morning, both of them saying that the party needs to open up to the changing demographic, but neither one saying that they need to change any fundamental policy.
oneoldhat over 11 years ago
dr canuck Who are the intelligent, educated moderates of the Democrat party? I hear senator murray cheering for fiscal cliff.
heymikey80 over 11 years ago
Libs: “Bush was so powerful, he left a legacy Obama can never reverse.”
Conservatives: “Libs had too much XTC in college.”
The reality is too obvious.
Gypsy8 over 11 years ago
“…..Raising taxes on people over $250,000 is stupid……”.So you want to safeguard the income of the wealthy, despite a burgeoning deficit, ongoing foreign wars at $2 billion per week, and a multitude of committed spending. That’s safeguarding the income of Buffet, Gates, Trump, every player in the NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLB, every movie star, most hedge fund managers, most congressmen, and on and on. Some, like Buffet, Gates, and others want to pay more taxes because they are smart people and realize it is necessary for the good of the nation. You, who I presume is not a rich man, want to safeguard the income of the rich for what reason – so you and the middle class can pay more? Or no one pays and the nation goes bankrupt? Its beyond bizarre, its incredibly stupid.
Mickey 13 over 11 years ago
You miss the entire point of the structure of the republic. Obama as president traditionally sets a direction and proposes programs. He is but one (albeit powerful) arm of our government. Ried, McConnell, Boehner, and Pelosi are leaders of their party within their legislative bodies. They represent the embodiment of the people in introducing their own programs, changing ones the president puts forth or denying him altogether. That is the way (simplistic view) that it is supposed to work in our Constitutional Republic.
Gypsy8 over 11 years ago
Not because he wanted to but because it was part of a compromise deal to get through a number of other tax relief measures for the middle class.
gordrogb Premium Member over 11 years ago
We don’t have an income problem. We have a spending problem. Stop the spending – Duh! Question: how many of you submitters are debt free – I’ll bet few or none.
gordrogb Premium Member over 11 years ago
@Gypsy8 – Excellent – good for you. Then you know exactly what I am talking about. We have been debt free for 10 years – what a wonderful feeling. We don’t drive expensive showoff cars or live in a mansion but we have fun every day knowing that we do not need to make some silly payments. Now, if we can just change the mindset of the country to do the same. But truthfully, the downside of that would be that the economy would tank with people buys less stuff.But at any rate, yes, the US has a spending problem and we see not sign that it will get better.
paytonb over 11 years ago
" It is now an argument between intelligent, educated moderates of both parties against the ignorant hard-right lunatic fringe."You had it right up till the very end. Your pointing here to the ’right" lunatic fringe lumps you right into that group with the blinders that continue to block any kind of progress in this country. Until people like you can see that the left and right both have lunatic fringes blocking progress then you will continue to be part of the problem and not part of the solution.