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  1. Jase99

    Jase99 said, 6 months ago

    Yes, but only the freedoms agreed to by the moral minority.

  2. martens misses all her friends

    martens misses all her friends GoComics PRO Member said, 6 months ago

    A punctuation error in the Declaration?
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    The error, according to Danielle Allen, a professor at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, N.J., concerns a period that appears right after the phrase “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” in the transcript, but almost certainly not, she maintains, on the badly faded parchment original.
    That errant spot of ink, she believes, makes a difference, contributing to what she calls a “routine but serious misunderstanding” of the document.
    The period creates the impression that the list of self-evident truths ends with the right to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” she says. But as intended by Thomas Jefferson, she argues, what comes next is just as important: the essential role of governments — “instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed” — in securing those rights.
    “The logic of the sentence moves from the value of individual rights to the importance of government as a tool for protecting those rights,” Ms. Allen said. “You lose that connection when the period gets added.”
    Ms. Allen first wondered about the period two years ago, while researching her book “Our Declaration: A Reading of the Declaration of Independence in Defense of Equality,” published last week by Liveright. The period does not appear on the other known versions produced with Congressional oversight in 1776, or for that matter in most major 20th-century scholarly books on the document. So what was it doing in the National Archives’ transcription?

  3. Rad-ish

    Rad-ish GoComics PRO Member said, 6 months ago

    Good posts!

  4. wmconelly

    wmconelly said, 6 months ago

    Ahhh, come on. It’s 2014. These quotations should be hovering around the windows of the Roman Catholic Supreme Court, not New England town hall, circa 1776.

  5. Michael wme

    Michael wme said, 6 months ago

    Today is the day our brave, patriotic Forefathers rose up against the British tyrants who threatened our most precious rights, liberties, and freedoms, specifically our precious freedom to own slaves and prosecute practitioners of non-WASP religions.


    Without those freedoms, America would never have been the Great Nation it is today.

  6. Colonel Claus

    Colonel Claus said, 6 months ago

    Just remember… Freedom without responsibility is anarchy.

  7. Dry and Dusty

    Dry and Dusty GoComics PRO Member said, 6 months ago

    Well done, STEVE!

  8. dtroutma

    dtroutma GoComics PRO Member said, 6 months ago

    Actually, they just claimed the freedom to keep killing the natives, and bring slaves from Africa, and indentured servants from Europe for that matter. They WERE the 1% of their day, the just DID have more wisdom than the current ones.

  9. Beau Nobo

    Beau Nobo said, 6 months ago

    Real deep thought there.

  10. martens misses all her friends

    martens misses all her friends GoComics PRO Member said, 6 months ago

    @Jeff Kiser

    My point still stands. She has some physical evidence of the presence or absence of the period in the original document and in subsequent She has a hypothesis to explain the apparent discrepancy. You have your personal opinion of what Jefferson’s thoughts must have been, but you are living in a milieu radically different from the one in which he lived. Are you really that confident of your understanding of his mind that you can be so sure what he would have meant if faced with the present day world?

  11. lonecat

    lonecat said, 6 months ago

    @martens misses all her friends

    Here’s my two cents. The interpretation here needs some knowledge of punctuation practices as the time. Modern punctuation had not yet hardened into the system we use now, and in particular the sentence as we know it had not yet complete replaced what was called a “period” (nowadays, a “periodic sentence”. Modern versions of texts often modernize the punctuation, so readers often don’t see the original punctuation and don’t realize how different it can be. (I’ve done some work on the texts of Jane Austen, who was later, but still didn’t use modern punctuation.)
    In this case, all of the subordinate clauses beginning “that” should be taken as parallel — the periods and dashes are not strong as they would be in a modern sentence. So here is the way it should work:
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    “We hold these truths to be self-evident
    (1) that all men are created equal
    (2) that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights
    (3) that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
    (4) That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
    (5)That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
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    So he’s making five points, all parallel. All of these subordinate clauses depend on the initial clause, “We hold these truths to be self-evident”.

  12. Gypsy8

    Gypsy8 said, 6 months ago

    If those four truths are so self-evident, why then:
    - Does the U.S. lose more life through guns, violence, and war than any other nation in the world?
    - Why is the U.S. rated seventeenth in the “Happiness factor,” which is a measure of quality of life, just behind Mexico?
    - Why does every other Western nation have at least as much freedom and liberty than the U.S. and many have more?

  13. crabbyrino

    crabbyrino GoComics PRO Member said, 6 months ago

    Thank you Lonecat. The most succinct structure I have ever read.

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