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Robert Ariail

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  1. Michael wme

    Michael wme said, 7 months ago

    There are some natural boundaries that formerly divided groups that mostly disliked each other. The British and French replaced those with boundaries that put bitterly opposed groups into French colonies and British colonies, so the colonials could never manage to get together and overthrow their masters.


    Europe divides by ethnic group and by religion. Slavs are naturally divided into Orthodox and unOrthodox, with the line going through the middle of the Ukraine.


    The Slavs got some freedom of self-determination in 1918, and those who were not Orthodox were split from the USSR, which was being punished by the Allies for leaving the Great War in 1917.


    Then, in ‘39, the famous bartender Molotov got those unOrthodox Slavs back into the USSR kicking, screaming, and finally forced into submission.


    Then, in the ’90s, Ukraine formed into an independent nation, with the Western part wanting to rejoin Western Europe, and the Eastern Part happy to be part of the Russian Economic Zone.


    The economic benefits of belonging to the Russian Economic Zone are much greater than the economic benefits of belonging to the EU.


    Of course, Western Ukrainians say the Russians owe them those economic benefits, plus they’d also like to get the economic benefits of joining the EU, so they’ll have both, only both does NOT seem to be on offer.

  2. wmconelly

    wmconelly said, 7 months ago

    Nice to read at Toonist who reads the international news. Just saying…

  3. ConserveGov

    ConserveGov said, 7 months ago

    I really like pirogies!

  4. dtroutma

    dtroutma GoComics PRO Member said, 7 months ago

    Hmm, how about those right-wing nannies in our state that say WE are the only ones with “proper thing” for all other countries? But as Michael indicates, the real divide in Ukraine is about the divide between two CHRISTIAN populations that “don’t get along”. Hmm, conflict going back too 1654.

  5. cjr53

    cjr53 said, 7 months ago

    @ConserveGov

    It pleases me that you like something. Especially something I like too.

  6. swr

    swr said, 7 months ago

    @Michael wme

    Please elaborate on what benefits would there be to joining the Russian Zone over the Euro,other then not having to bail out the PIIGS especially in light of the oil/gas boom in the US knocking the finical underpinning of the Russian zone right in the toilet. the Saudi’s can drop their prices Iran and Russian not so much.

  7. swr

    swr said, 7 months ago

    @Adrian Snare

    I don’t think that would work out like you think it would. outside of movies in California and financial paper in NYC blue states don’t actually produce that much any more.

  8. Sharuniboy

    Sharuniboy GoComics PRO Member said, 7 months ago

    @Adrian Snare,
    I have always believed it was the object of humanity to become civilized, by way of learning how to live together with all the complexity, difference, divergence, and uniqueness of the species.
    ^
    There is absolutely NOTHING “rational” in merely regressing to the status of clan/tribal separation, and ensuing feuds and wars, simply because “men refuse to get along”. And, I do think that you, yourself, should know already whether or not such forms of division “work or not”. They DON’T!
    ^
    One of the saddest – and sickest (!) – of today’s political, sociological, and economic approaches is the one that would again create endless conflict, competition, and, yes, bloodshed, over “likes and dislikes”. Yet, that sad, sick, and destructive approach seems to rule the future and fortunes of mankind, either as religious or political “correctness”, regardless of the question, cause, or problem facing human beings today.
    ^
    Isn’t it about time we stopped getting ourselves into irrational quarrels over such trivialities as whether someone says, “Happy Holidays”, or “Merry Christmas”; and at least TRY to deal with serious matters as if we were adults?
    ^
    But then again, one does have to remember that Dean Swift wrote about the “Big-Endians” and “Little Endians”, and their futile and foolish wars, some Centuries ago; and people still seek to damage others – even kill them – over such petty nonsense, even today. How true it is: “The only thing we learn from history is that, we learn nothing from history.”

  9. Uncle Joe

    Uncle Joe GoComics PRO Member said, 7 months ago

    @swr

    How wrong you are. Red states have seen growth that seems spectacular in terms of percentage of growth & share of state GDP, but they are still far behind the traditional manufacturing centers like Ohio, Michigan & Indiana in real numbers.

    Keep in mind that things like refining oil, making oil products, making food & tobacco products (light ’em up, N.C.!) count as manufacturing jobs here. Most durable goods are still made in northern states.

    The top states for manufacturing jobs:

    California
    Texas
    Ohio
    Illinois
    Pennsylvania
    New York
    Michigan
    Wisconsin
    Indiana
    North Carolina

    Top states by manufacturing revenue:

    Texas
    California
    Ohio
    Illinois
    Pennsylvania
    Indiana
    North Carolina
    Michigan
    Louisiana
    New York

    Source: https://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/manufactures.html

    State by state details:

    http://www.nam.org/Statistics-And-Data/State-Manufacturing-Data/Manufacturing-by-State.aspx

  10. ConserveGov

    ConserveGov said, 7 months ago

    @cjr53

    Haha!
    I also like smaller government!
    But back to the things that matter……..
    A good, homemade pierogi is hard to find but when you do, it’s awesome.
    A little Ukranian Orthodox church by us growing up would make a huge batch of pierogis 1 Sunday a month to raise money for their needy.
    Our parents would take us down there and we would stuff ourselves full of those potato, pasta and onion pockets.
    Those Ukranians were good people that helped the needy and brought our town together.

  11. Uncle Joe

    Uncle Joe GoComics PRO Member said, 7 months ago

    @ConserveGov

    A good, homemade pierogi is hard to find but when you do, it’s awesome.

    Not for me. 4 great places within a 15 minute walk. It’s good to live among immigrants.

  12. ConserveGov

    ConserveGov said, 7 months ago

    ^^^You must have different immigrants…..
    Mine now are the south of the border type, but they do make the best homemade tamales.
    Same as pirogies, the tamale has to be a real homemade one.
    Also like pirogies, not something you can just whip up in 5 minutes either.

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