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It’s really screwed up when some people in Stubenville are more concerned about what this will do to the football team’s chances then about the long-tern consequences to the high school kids involved in the entire rape debacle!
Very very seldom follow this type of news but this time it showed up unexpectedly when the trial was just starting. . I am both surprised and hopeful the jury actually did the correct conviction, the rapers and not the rapee. . Hope and change anyone?
Don’t feel sorry for the rapists. I was involved in a case where an employee of mine confided that her boyfriend and two buddies really injured a man in a fight when they got drunk. The guys were 21, and the victim was 38 with two children, who was walking down the street and was harassed by them into the fight (this was witness testimony). The man died of head injuries two days later, the three guys skipped town, and the employee denied everything she told me to the cops. When they were caught, they were charged and convicted of aggravated assault only, because the victim chose not to go to the hospital when the ambulance arrived. In high school, the three boys were state-level wrestlers, and each had won the state title at least once in their weight class. because of this, it was overlooked that they were bullies who were accused of rape, sexual harassment, sexual assault, and aggravated assault while in school. They were never brought up on charges until they actually killed someone. Come down hard on these and any kids accused of rape or violent crimes, if convicted. They don’t have promising lives ahead of them, just criminal ones, if they are not taught that all actions have consequences.
The boys took pictures of the incident and tweeted details of their actions. They documented themselves into a conviction. Ever wonder why football players get the reputation for being stupid?
You think that they were all drinking heavily (at one stage or another) might have had something to do with it? It’s bad enough that teenagers are just raging hormones in motion, but then you add alcohol and what little common sense they have goes out the window.
@mickey1339 I think that goes toward the forbidden nature of alcohol in our culture. Very few treat alcohol as a complement to a meal or something to be enjoyed. It is an end unto itself which results in stupendous amounts of drunkenness. This causes all sorts of horrendous activity. If we weren’t so scared of alcohol then perhaps it wouldn’t be so taboo and could be consumed responsibly. Perhaps we wouldn’t have so many “keggers” where teenagers get bombed out of their minds and commit rape on vulnerable women. Until then we have to continue using some other mental crowbar to impress upon teenage boys to respect women and passed out is the same as saying “NO!” And we still have to counsel our daughters to Not drink so much and never drink anything handed to you unless you know what is in it and saw it made.
Thousands of rapes across the country, but ONE case holds national attention? Media make ONE homicide “big news” while over 30 people a day in the U.S. are murdered, yes, EVERYDAY! A reflection of stupidity and misplaced “attention” by our media, and society.
But, yes, it is taking away boys ability to play football, or lacrosse, that gets national attention. I suggest that in rape cases like this, take away “something else”. When convicted of egregious rape, take away their “equipment” make them eunuchs, and at least recidivism isn’t an issue.
We as a society with our ever progressive liberal changes in both our legal system and social morals are now reaping what we have sown. A generation of kids who really don’t know any better – don’t feel the pain they inflict on others and worst of all don’t care. Just an FYI the original reason for forming organizations like the KKK was that in the deep south the law was spread thin – if a man was too cruel to his wife,kids or SLAVES then these hooded citizens would tar & feather,beat or hang depending on the severity of cruelty!
I am sorry, but respect for the law is not just a conservative idea. Both moderates and certainly moderate liberals also have a great respect for the law. In fact, the NAZI movement of the 1930’s in Germany certainly not only was a very conservative movement, but also certainly did not respect the laws (at least until they were the only ones making the laws). And anyone having even the slightest liberal ideas was automatically a “law breaker” to these ultra-ultra conservatives. In fact, respect for reasonable laws against such heinous acts as rape is a civilized thing, and neither liberals nor conservatives should object to such laws, nor in any way excuse rapists!!
: No David, it all takes human activation with or without alcohol. But, the likelihood of it happening is far greater when alcohol is involved. Kids or anyone else can flip over to retard and commit all sorts of heinous crimes, sober as a judge. * I did drug and alcohol counseling for teenagers for a few years and although I don’t remember the exact statistics, I would venture to guess your looking at a 90% rate for alcohol complicit rape, gang rape, date rape, whatever. That was about 5 years ago.
I did not intend to offend Mr. Landers, merely to point out that our direction and our laws as a whole sometimes have unintended consequences. Remember President Nixon " I am not a crook" – Clinton “I did not have sex with that woman”, when even our commanders in cheif set such examples , what should we expect from the people and our children. The KKK info was intended to show how something that begins well intended can become horrific. Accountability would be one word to describe my feelings, hell yes those boys should be punished – and as adults not as children , rape is not only a crime of physical domination but very much a crime emotionally that can damage or ruin a life. The girl who was assualted will need good care , possibly for years to come , the guilty should pay for that also !
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masterskrain said, 2 months ago
It’s really screwed up when some people in Stubenville are more concerned about what this will do to the football team’s chances then about the long-tern consequences to the high school kids involved in the entire rape debacle!
Stipple said, 2 months ago
Very very seldom follow this type of news but this time it showed up unexpectedly when the trial was just starting.
.
I am both surprised and hopeful the jury actually did the correct conviction, the rapers and not the rapee.
.
Hope and change anyone?
halavana said, 2 months ago
@Stipple
gave up hope a long time ago…
Fourcrows said, 2 months ago
Don’t feel sorry for the rapists. I was involved in a case where an employee of mine confided that her boyfriend and two buddies really injured a man in a fight when they got drunk. The guys were 21, and the victim was 38 with two children, who was walking down the street and was harassed by them into the fight (this was witness testimony). The man died of head injuries two days later, the three guys skipped town, and the employee denied everything she told me to the cops. When they were caught, they were charged and convicted of aggravated assault only, because the victim chose not to go to the hospital when the ambulance arrived.
In high school, the three boys were state-level wrestlers, and each had won the state title at least once in their weight class. because of this, it was overlooked that they were bullies who were accused of rape, sexual harassment, sexual assault, and aggravated assault while in school. They were never brought up on charges until they actually killed someone.
Come down hard on these and any kids accused of rape or violent crimes, if convicted. They don’t have promising lives ahead of them, just criminal ones, if they are not taught that all actions have consequences.
Radish
said, 2 months ago
The boys took pictures of the incident and tweeted details of their actions. They documented themselves into a conviction.
Ever wonder why football players get the reputation for being stupid?
mickey1339
said, 2 months ago
You think that they were all drinking heavily (at one stage or another) might have had something to do with it? It’s bad enough that teenagers are just raging hormones in motion, but then you add alcohol and what little common sense they have goes out the window.
AgentSmith101 said, 2 months ago
@mickey1339 I think that goes toward the forbidden nature of alcohol in our culture. Very few treat alcohol as a complement to a meal or something to be enjoyed. It is an end unto itself which results in stupendous amounts of drunkenness. This causes all sorts of horrendous activity. If we weren’t so scared of alcohol then perhaps it wouldn’t be so taboo and could be consumed responsibly. Perhaps we wouldn’t have so many “keggers” where teenagers get bombed out of their minds and commit rape on vulnerable women.
Until then we have to continue using some other mental crowbar to impress upon teenage boys to respect women and passed out is the same as saying “NO!” And we still have to counsel our daughters to Not drink so much and never drink anything handed to you unless you know what is in it and saw it made.
dtroutma
said, 2 months ago
Thousands of rapes across the country, but ONE case holds national attention? Media make ONE homicide “big news” while over 30 people a day in the U.S. are murdered, yes, EVERY DAY! A reflection of stupidity and misplaced “attention” by our media, and society.
But, yes, it is taking away boys ability to play football, or lacrosse, that gets national attention. I suggest that in rape cases like this, take away “something else”. When convicted of egregious rape, take away their “equipment” make them eunuchs, and at least recidivism isn’t an issue.
David
said, 2 months ago
@AgentSmith101
Are you saying alcohol caused the rape?
David
said, 2 months ago
@mickey1339
Are you saying alcohol caused the rape?
mskemple said, 2 months ago
We as a society with our ever progressive liberal changes in both our legal system and social morals are now reaping what we have sown. A generation of kids who really don’t know any better – don’t feel the pain they inflict on others and worst of all don’t care. Just an FYI the original reason for forming organizations like the KKK was that in the deep south the law was spread thin – if a man was too cruel to his wife,kids or SLAVES then these hooded citizens would tar & feather,beat or hang depending on the severity of cruelty!
Robert Landers said, 2 months ago
@mskemple
I am sorry, but respect for the law is not just a conservative idea. Both moderates and certainly moderate liberals also have a great respect for the law. In fact, the NAZI movement of the 1930’s in Germany certainly not only was a very conservative movement, but also certainly did not respect the laws (at least until they were the only ones making the laws). And anyone having even the slightest liberal ideas was automatically a “law breaker” to these ultra-ultra conservatives. In fact, respect for reasonable laws against such heinous acts as rape is a civilized thing, and neither liberals nor conservatives should object to such laws, nor in any way excuse rapists!!
mickey1339
said, 2 months ago
@dtroutma
“I suggest that in rape cases like this, take away “something else”.
Geesh Trout, you are harsh today. Makes me squirm just thinking about it.
mickey1339
said, 2 months ago
@David
“Are you saying alcohol caused the rape?”
:
No David, it all takes human activation with or without alcohol. But, the likelihood of it happening is far greater when alcohol is involved. Kids or anyone else can flip over to retard and commit all sorts of heinous crimes, sober as a judge.
*
I did drug and alcohol counseling for teenagers for a few years and although I don’t remember the exact statistics, I would venture to guess your looking at a 90% rate for alcohol complicit rape, gang rape, date rape, whatever. That was about 5 years ago.
mskemple said, 2 months ago
I did not intend to offend Mr. Landers, merely to point out that our direction and our laws as a whole sometimes have unintended consequences. Remember President Nixon " I am not a crook" – Clinton “I did not have sex with that woman”, when even our commanders in cheif set such examples , what should we expect from the people and our children. The KKK info was intended to show how something that begins well intended can become horrific. Accountability would be one word to describe my feelings, hell yes those boys should be punished – and as adults not as children , rape is not only a crime of physical domination but very much a crime emotionally that can damage or ruin a life. The girl who was assualted will need good care , possibly for years to come , the guilty should pay for that also !