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   Respectful Troll said, 8 months ago

   Sorry he cheated. Glad he was caught. I have been wrong in my past hopeful posts and admit it. I an ohnly hope that moving forward, he will redeem himself through his Livestrong foundation and by admitting and taking responsibilty for allowing ends to justify means.
   with disappointment,
   C.
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   neuturn said, 8 months ago

   @Respectful Troll

   If he will concede to the charges then I would be able to make a decision. I would have been interested in knowing why any of those testifying waited for this when they could have taken Armstrong out a long time ago by turning him in and leveling the playing field. It would be interesting to have been there to hear testimony and if there was motivation to testify as some of them testifying had their pending sanctionsreduced for it. I would be interested in knowing if anyone has taken these steroids he was accused of and not tested possitive once, and if so could they provide a test that can show what needs to be searched for in the future to see if they can get a false negative on the test. I know that most of the tme people will pass as they must know what to search for in the test in order to find the item in the blood. That is why there is always an evolving steroid market. I am undecided on this issue. It is very sad that this occurs in all sports and personal life.
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   Respectful Troll said, 8 months ago

   @neuturn

   It is my understanding he’s been found guilty of using products for “blood boosting/doping”. Those who waited until recently to testify were, like Armstrong, hoping the ability to test for their drugs/methods of choice would not appear in their lifetime. And sadly, despite the alleged Christianity of the USA, we are not a forgiving people. A person who errs is usually punished and their careers destroyed, even tho, in many cases, that same person-given a second chance-could not only do their job better than ever, but be a vigilant guardian against future abuses. Fear, shame, and the threat of having a dream taken from you can be a great motivaor for doing the wrong thing. However, as I once read, no one is a complete waste—you can always be a bad example. My children are a testiment to that. Despite my many mistakes, stupidities and…more…my eldest is a Major in the military, my second a GS 13 helping military and civil servants, and my youngest, only 28 this month, is a small business owner. Lance can come forward, be honest, and still stand tall because of his foundation, but he needs to apologize to those who, like me, believed him STRONGly.
   I appreciate your comment Neuturn, and your tone..
   Respects.
   C.
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   dtroutma said, 8 months ago

   It’s interesting that the “scandal” is about the use of “non-sanctioned” “drugs”, that are NOT “illegal”! The whole thing is blown out of proportion, to take down a person whose personal accomplishments far outweigh those of “detractors”.

   
   Now, those defending a pedophile coach or two, and watching sports played by behemoths who’ve obviously used “alternative means” to bulk up, causing permanent, and/or lethal damage to themselves, or each other, is just fine.
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   Dredpiraterobt$ said, 8 months ago

   @dtroutma

   “… to take down a person whose personal accomplishments far outweigh those of ‘detractors’.”
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   GFY fanboy!
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   How effing DARE you? What? The law doesn’t apply to “great men”? Since when? Not in this country! In this country “All men are created equal in the eyes of the law!”
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   What a thouroughly disgusting posting you have made there (and around the threads) Dtroutma! It goes against everything this nation of LAWS stands for! Hero worship? Eff Heroes! Especially heroes of sport!
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   It’s OK that Lance Armstrong lies to us because he is a great man? And is it ok that Mitt Romney lies to us because his wife told us he was a great man too? Is it ok that Clancy Thomas lied to us? Is it ok that Rush Limbaugh lies to us?Was it OK when Nixon lied to us? Was it OK when Bush lied us into a hurry up war with Iraq that murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis?
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   He CHEATED. He knew he was cheating, he conspired with others to cheat. He conspired with others to hide his cheating!
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   Pete Rose will never be in Cooperstown (I assume). He worked his whole life for that honor, and it is the consequence of his actions (which had no impact on the games he was playing) that he will go on living, knowing that he is not wanted in the one place he wants to be wanted.
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   I never liked Pete Rose, but he was by all accounts a heck of a ball player who was a sure Hall of Famer. I don’t disagree with the punishment meted out by MLB.
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   I liked Lance Armstrong. His talent, as it turns out was tainted by the drugs he was taking. Maybe it makes no sense to draw an arbitrary line and say, you can take those meds to treat your cancer you can’ take these meds to enhance your endurance (which is in essence the same thing). But he knew where the line was and he crossed it.
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   I thought you knew where the line between right and wrong is.
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