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@greyolddave – Ms. Benson’s teardrops are all over this cartoon. She may still be in support of Gun Rights as they have been practiced over the last few years, but she, like the rest of us, is obviously deeply affected. @douthett72 – veterans are killing themselves at the rate of one a day for lack of mental health protection in a culture that makes people who are emotionally or chemically at risk feel weak and belittled. And they have access to the entire VA resources. How can poor parents with no health care afford to have at risk children, children who are chemically or socially at risk, or who live in communities where violence is rampant, seen and properly cared for? @donaldo – Thank you for the stats, very good information and puts things into perspective. I just wish you would have ended your post with, “Guns don’t kill people, people with guns kill people.” I don’t see people like these shooters in Conn, Colo, Pa, and too many other places as “Americans”. The Americans were the teachers and principal who died trying to protect children. The Americans were the ones who shielded loved one from the movie theater shooter. The Americans were the first responders at all of these events who were ready to die themselves to save others. Americans can be killers, but in my opinion, REAL Americans protect the lives and rights of their neighbors. Respectfully, C.
Your listed Countries do not have America’s large and active Criminal Class….and….When they put people in jail, they stay there…..unlike here in the US.
Mass shootings have occurred where ever there are guns. Norway had one of the worst, and you don’t normally think of Norway as being violent. Canada had its Ecole Polytecknique where a disturbed young man killed fourteen women engineers. . The difference between the U.S. and the rest of the world seems to be in the widespread availability of guns in the U.S.and the culture of gun ownership and sanctioned violence. The rest of the world would not have a mother showing a mentally disturbed child how to use her Glocks and Bushmaster. . Another factor I have not heard mentioned is the effect of institutionalized killings of almost continuous warfare on the national psyche. This young man grew up not only playing violent video games, often based on real war, he grew up witnessing young men and women being hailed as heroes and defenders of the freedom as they go off to a foreign land to kill more alleged bad guys. The young man cheered as he scored another thousand kills on the computer screen, and the nation cheered when Shock and Awe killed and maimed a few hundred thousand men, women, and children innocent of the crimes of which they were accused. . And the nation expressed pride of superior technology when another President-authorized drone strike took out an alleged leader in his country defending his territory and his way of life. It is now possible to win war games without risk of life or the unpleasant task of dealing with the corpses of their innocent men, women, and children. . And we wonder why our disturbed young are so insensitive to human feelings.
I have the greatest level of respect for you C, so please do not take my disagreement with a couple issues in your post as disrespect. Given the evidence that Lisa Bensons does not draw anything that differs from the party approved messages, in order for her to draw this means either her party masters are trying to manipulate the conversation or you are right, “she, like the rest of us, is obviously deeply affected.” @douthett72 – veterans are killing themselves at the rate of one a day for lack of mental health protection in a culture that makes people who are emotionally or chemically at risk feel weak and belittled. And they have access to the entire VA resources. From my readings and information you are not quite correct. Veterans needing “short-term care” have pretty good access to VA services but if you are “disabled” even with visible injuries like amputations, it can take you 2 or more years to get approved as disabled and be eligible for proper care of your disabilities and those include PTSD. So someone not suffering PTSD but merely say a combat related internal injury that requires surgery and medications can become so despondent waiting for approval to get their pain managed and hopefully surgically corrected that they commit suicide. So you are only partially correct in that assertion. Think about it, doctors get paid by Medicare under their “Pay and Chase” model but our injured Vets, those that we owe a great deal to must wait and suffer through numerous screenings and assessments before they can get anythign resembling care for their long term medical needs. ”How can poor parents with no health care afford to have at risk children, children who are chemically or socially at risk, or who live in communities where violence is rampant, seen and properly cared for?” Universal medical care is socialism and can’t be tolerated in the United States of I-Got-Mine-To-Hell-With-You, don’t ya know?
_”@donaldo – Thank you for the stats, very good information and puts things into perspective. I just wish you would have ended your post with, “Guns don’t kill people, people with guns kill people.” _ Subtle difference but your correction makes it 100% correct and indisputable. ”I don’t see people like these shooters in Conn, Colo, Pa, and too many other places as “Americans”. The Americans were the teachers and principal who died trying to protect children. The Americans were the ones who shielded loved one from the movie theater shooter. The Americans were the first responders at all of these events who were ready to die themselves to save others. Americans can be killers, but in my opinion, REAL Americans protect the lives and rights of their neighbors.” And let us not forget all of those who responded, even after it was verified that the gunman was dead. They were not in physical harm’s way but they certainly were tested emotionally and psychologically. Like them or hate them we owe a great deal to the police, the fireman and emergency personnel of all kinds. Sure as little boys we grow up wanting to be fireman and police officers but think about it. IT is a job that very few can truly endure. They see society at its worst. We only see the sanitized photos and video clips of the school, they see the blood pools, the lifeless bodies, ALL of the horror, and then they have to put on a pretty happy face and control their emotions and get their jobs done. I don’t respect the police force or the fire departments in my area because of their demonstrated “better than thou” attitudes but I still thank every one of them that I meet for the job they do. Without them this would not be the minimally civilized society we have. I know I could not do their jobs on their worst days like this school shooting.
Circular argument. The NRA works hard to take any value out of gun laws, and works equally hard to find ways to cut enforcement dollars. Then, when something like this happens, they say that we don’t need more laws: we need to better enforce the laws we have. And then they send their drones to the Sunday AM news/talk shows to tell us that this is not the time to talk about this.
you people are totally thoughtless. yes, norway’s was one of the worst… and norway has TOTALGUNCONTROL! so how does that prevent a tragedy like this??? LAWSANDLEGISLATION DO NOTPREVENTTRAGEDIESLIKETHISFROMHAPPENING! THATKIDWOULDHAVEUSED A KNIFE OR A BOMB IF HE DIDN’T HAVE A GUN!
Quote= donaldo said, about 5 hours ago Gun kill statistics from last year……. - I don’t accept your numbers, “kill” is not defined; WHAT IS THESOURCE? - “kill” may mean suicide, or self-defense, or accidental, or murder. “kill” how? poison? knife? there are many ways to “kill”…and many reasons….
Mix a snifter of Bill Mauldin, a dash of Jeff McNelly and a very large dollop of common sense, and you begin to get an idea of Lisa Benson’s considerable talent.
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donaldo
said, 5 months ago
Gun kill statistics from last year:
Japan: 48 kills
Great Britain: 8 kills
Switzerland: 34 kills
Canada: 54 kills
Israel: 58 kills
Sweden: 21 kills
Germany: 48 kills
USA: 10.728 kills
Guns don’t kill people. Americans kill people
greyolddave said, 5 months ago
Lisa forgets that she has ridiculed gun controls in the past. Hopefully she is one of the conservatives who have opened their eyes.
douthett72 said, 5 months ago
@donaldo
How many are suicides vs murder?
Our problem is people with serious mental health issues not getttingt eh helkp they need
Respectful Troll said, 5 months ago
@greyolddave – Ms. Benson’s teardrops are all over this cartoon. She may still be in support of Gun Rights as they have been practiced over the last few years, but she, like the rest of us, is obviously deeply affected.
@douthett72 – veterans are killing themselves at the rate of one a day for lack of mental health protection in a culture that makes people who are emotionally or chemically at risk feel weak and belittled. And they have access to the entire VA resources.
How can poor parents with no health care afford to have at risk children, children who are chemically or socially at risk, or who live in communities where violence is rampant, seen and properly cared for?
@donaldo – Thank you for the stats, very good information and puts things into perspective. I just wish you would have ended your post with, “Guns don’t kill people, people with guns kill people.” I don’t see people like these shooters in Conn, Colo, Pa, and too many other places as “Americans”. The Americans were the teachers and principal who died trying to protect children. The Americans were the ones who shielded loved one from the movie theater shooter. The Americans were the first responders at all of these events who were ready to die themselves to save others.
Americans can be killers, but in my opinion, REAL Americans protect the lives and rights of their neighbors.
Respectfully,
C.
Ms. Ima said, 5 months ago
@donaldo
Where is Palistine, Iran, Russia?
onguard said, 5 months ago
@donaldo
Your listed Countries do not have America’s large and active Criminal Class….and….When they put people in jail, they stay there…..unlike here in the US.
onguard said, 5 months ago
The World has a problem with School killing……http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html
Harleyquinn
said, 5 months ago
yes
Gypsy8 said, 5 months ago
Mass shootings have occurred where ever there are guns. Norway had one of the worst, and you don’t normally think of Norway as being violent. Canada had its Ecole Polytecknique where a disturbed young man killed fourteen women engineers.
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The difference between the U.S. and the rest of the world seems to be in the widespread availability of guns in the U.S.and the culture of gun ownership and sanctioned violence. The rest of the world would not have a mother showing a mentally disturbed child how to use her Glocks and Bushmaster.
.
Another factor I have not heard mentioned is the effect of institutionalized killings of almost continuous warfare on the national psyche. This young man grew up not only playing violent video games, often based on real war, he grew up witnessing young men and women being hailed as heroes and defenders of the freedom as they go off to a foreign land to kill more alleged bad guys. The young man cheered as he scored another thousand kills on the computer screen, and the nation cheered when Shock and Awe killed and maimed a few hundred thousand men, women, and children innocent of the crimes of which they were accused.
.
And the nation expressed pride of superior technology when another President-authorized drone strike took out an alleged leader in his country defending his territory and his way of life. It is now possible to win war games without risk of life or the unpleasant task of dealing with the corpses of their innocent men, women, and children.
.
And we wonder why our disturbed young are so insensitive to human feelings.
TheTrustedMechanic said, 5 months ago
@Respectful Troll
I have the greatest level of respect for you C, so please do not take my disagreement with a couple issues in your post as disrespect.
Given the evidence that Lisa Bensons does not draw anything that differs from the party approved messages, in order for her to draw this means either her party masters are trying to manipulate the conversation or you are right, “she, like the rest of us, is obviously deeply affected.”
@douthett72 – veterans are killing themselves at the rate of one a day for lack of mental health protection in a culture that makes people who are emotionally or chemically at risk feel weak and belittled. And they have access to the entire VA resources.
From my readings and information you are not quite correct. Veterans needing “short-term care” have pretty good access to VA services but if you are “disabled” even with visible injuries like amputations, it can take you 2 or more years to get approved as disabled and be eligible for proper care of your disabilities and those include PTSD. So someone not suffering PTSD but merely say a combat related internal injury that requires surgery and medications can become so despondent waiting for approval to get their pain managed and hopefully surgically corrected that they commit suicide. So you are only partially correct in that assertion. Think about it, doctors get paid by Medicare under their “Pay and Chase” model but our injured Vets, those that we owe a great deal to must wait and suffer through numerous screenings and assessments before they can get anythign resembling care for their long term medical needs.
”How can poor parents with no health care afford to have at risk children, children who are chemically or socially at risk, or who live in communities where violence is rampant, seen and properly cared for?”
Universal medical care is socialism and can’t be tolerated in the United States of I-Got-Mine-To-Hell-With-You, don’t ya know?
_”@donaldo – Thank you for the stats, very good information and puts things into perspective. I just wish you would have ended your post with, “Guns don’t kill people, people with guns kill people.” _
Subtle difference but your correction makes it 100% correct and indisputable.
”I don’t see people like these shooters in Conn, Colo, Pa, and too many other places as “Americans”. The Americans were the teachers and principal who died trying to protect children. The Americans were the ones who shielded loved one from the movie theater shooter. The Americans were the first responders at all of these events who were ready to die themselves to save others.
Americans can be killers, but in my opinion, REAL Americans protect the lives and rights of their neighbors.”
And let us not forget all of those who responded, even after it was verified that the gunman was dead. They were not in physical harm’s way but they certainly were tested emotionally and psychologically. Like them or hate them we owe a great deal to the police, the fireman and emergency personnel of all kinds. Sure as little boys we grow up wanting to be fireman and police officers but think about it. IT is a job that very few can truly endure. They see society at its worst. We only see the sanitized photos and video clips of the school, they see the blood pools, the lifeless bodies, ALL of the horror, and then they have to put on a pretty happy face and control their emotions and get their jobs done. I don’t respect the police force or the fire departments in my area because of their demonstrated “better than thou” attitudes but I still thank every one of them that I meet for the job they do. Without them this would not be the minimally civilized society we have. I know I could not do their jobs on their worst days like this school shooting.
DavidGBA said, 5 months ago
I wonder how many of those foreign kills were tied to Americans?
I Play One On TV said, 5 months ago
@HOWGOZIT
Circular argument. The NRA works hard to take any value out of gun laws, and works equally hard to find ways to cut enforcement dollars. Then, when something like this happens, they say that we don’t need more laws: we need to better enforce the laws we have. And then they send their drones to the Sunday AM news/talk shows to tell us that this is not the time to talk about this.
Time to interrupt the circle.
Calvin Hobbs said, 5 months ago
you people are totally thoughtless. yes, norway’s was one of the worst… and norway has TOTAL GUN CONTROL! so how does that prevent a tragedy like this??? LAWS AND LEGISLATION DO NOT PREVENT TRAGEDIES LIKE THIS FROM HAPPENING! THAT KID WOULD HAVE USED A KNIFE OR A BOMB IF HE DIDN’T HAVE A GUN!
Calvin Hobbs said, 5 months ago
PLUS… if the teacher had a gun or the janitor had a gun, they could have killed this guy BEFORE he killed so many!!! sheesh. where’s yer head, people?
disgustedtaxpayer said, 5 months ago
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donaldo said, about 5 hours ago
Gun kill statistics from last year…….
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I don’t accept your numbers, “kill” is not defined; WHAT IS THE SOURCE?
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“kill” may mean suicide, or self-defense, or accidental, or murder. “kill” how? poison? knife? there are many ways to “kill”…and many reasons….