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  1. toasteroven

    toasteroven said, almost 7 years ago

    Only somewhat related to this comic, but…

    I absolutely hate it when I see some poor toddler or baby strapped into some asinine shirt spouting their parents politics. It fills me with revulsion.

    Quoth Achewood: “You’re teaching the future to suck and the children to swallow!”

  2. a.c.d

    a.c.d said, almost 7 years ago

    This is not a question of patriotism. This is a question of human decency. It IS patriotic to question the aggressive and war like stance of a state, but if you measure your patriotism by means of denying millions of people access to basic health care at an affordable cost just because you don’t want to see your tax dollars helping others, then you are not patriotic, you are just plain selfish.

  3. HUMPHRIES

    HUMPHRIES said, almost 7 years ago

    Rogey, did you think your post up all by yourself ?

  4. IntoVirginiaCreeper

    IntoVirginiaCreeper said, almost 7 years ago

    I like Roger’s post. You Lib-thugs ARE un-patriotic…and liars.

  5. lonecat

    lonecat said, almost 7 years ago

    Some on these lists throw the terms “left” and “right” around rather freely. I’m not sure that the labels left and right accurately describe the political landscape nowadays, but there is a tradition of political and social progress that is worth keeping in mind. It includes, for example, the growth of democratic institutions such as parliaments and legislatures; limitation of the power of the executive (kings or presidents or whatever); extension of the right to vote; freedom of religious belief and affiliation and also limitation of the power of religion in non-religious areas of life; child-labor laws; the eight-hour day campaigns; the right of labor to organize (I know this may seem controversial, but my grandfather died because there was no union in the mine he worked in, so I’m not giving this up); compulsory education; consumer protection laws; the abolition of slavery; the civil rights movement; the movement for equal rights for women and men; various movements against wars and against weapons of mass destruction. I don’t mean this as a complete list, but it’s a start. Nor do I mean to suggest that we have fully achieved these goals everywhere today, but in many places most of these are now taken for granted, and in other places they can serve as a standard for judgment. (I also know that this list could look somewhat Eurocentric, but in another context I would argue that it’s not.) Most of these goals were considered leftist when they were proposed. To that extent, I am proud to say that I identify myself with the traditions of the left. But the left is not homogeneous. For instance, even as a leftist I favor individual effort and responsibility, and I’m also somewhat suspicious of large centralized government. At times the power of the central government is the best safeguard of the individual, but at times the power of the central government is dangerous. And the left dictatorships have been just as bad as the right dictatorships.) Each situation needs to be examined in its particularity. The current great item on the agenda of the left, on the agenda of the world, is care of the environment. But here’s one place where the left/right division should disappear. We all, left and right and center, should understand that we need a world to live in.

  6. charliekane

    charliekane said, almost 7 years ago

    Dearest Roger, Pup and ‘Nan:

    Is it a trait among your ilk to impugn the patriotism and morals of those who happen to disagree with you?

    Do deficient memory and ideological purity go together?

    Please see:

    http://www.slate.com/id/2106109/

    Note particularly the latter half of the article.

  7. johndh123

    johndh123 said, almost 7 years ago

    toasteroven said, about 9 hours ago

    “Only somewhat related to this comic, but… I absolutely hate it when I see some poor toddler or baby strapped into some asinine shirt spouting their parents politics. It fills me with revulsion.”

    Filled with revulsion? Ah comeon toaster, a bit melodramatic huh? Guess I am losing the passion, getting old, but all I can muster for inane (as I might see it anway) one liners is an eyeroll. for you..~wink~

  8. johndh123

    johndh123 said, almost 7 years ago

    HUMPHRIES said, about 7 hours ago

    “Rogey, did you think your post up all by yourself ?”

    And Humphries, what if he did? Did you have a counterpoint?

  9. johndh123

    johndh123 said, almost 7 years ago

    a.c.d said, about 7 hours ago

    “This is not a question of patriotism. This is a question of human decency. It IS patriotic to question the aggressive and war like stance of a state, but if you measure your patriotism by means of denying millions of people access to basic health care at an affordable cost just because you don’t want to see your tax dollars helping others, then you are not patriotic, you are just plain selfish.”

    Nonsense. But lets take it from the sublime to the ridiculous. I shall speak in your behalf on one point. Better blog back to correct if I am off base. I think I am fair to say you feel EVERYONE is entitled to this governmental largesse, entitlement are you not? Then how about this, all the payers of this (you know very well, the government produces no capital to fund anything, but business does, right?) Lets say the payers ALL revolt, cease to work, thus NO more funding but ALL drinking from the trough of ‘fellowship and sharing’. How do YOU decide who MUST work for the good of fellow man, hmmmmm? Once the left accepts that there is nothing wrong with labor for our efforts and renumeration for these efforts (that is called wages, profit, money, whatever you chose to call it) If you ever want to know how to cure health care deficiencies, ask me, I shall take the time to tell you exactly how it could be done.

  10. Bruce4671

    Bruce4671 said, almost 7 years ago

    lonecat thanks for the sensible comment, but, trying to bring the light of truth into the asylum may not be successful. there are good and bad points to most things that go on in the world. The trick is to have the good points win out with out destroying the progress made to this point. The Left VS Right thing going on is JUST what the politicians want to happen. those inpower can then progress their agenda -good or bad- while the rest of us are throwing stones….A.C.D. suggest that the “right” would rather see “millions” die for lack of health care than have their taxes pay for it but I suggest he/she/it take off the blinders and read what is proposed. The nation can not afford the program that is currently being debated. Conservative DO have empathy for those less fortunate and traditionally give of their fortunes to help those in need. Does he/she/it or should government relieve us of that “burden” to ease the guilt? OH…and show me the millions dying in the street…but if you wait until the government is in control of everthing then I’ll show you those millions

  11. 4uk4ata

    4uk4ata said, almost 7 years ago

    Wait, who exactly on the left called the “tea party” protesters unpatriotic? From what little I followed they were called a lot of things, but I don’t think patriotism came into the mix.

  12. Bruce4671

    Bruce4671 said, almost 7 years ago

    do any of us, after all I’m listening to you

  13. charliekane

    charliekane said, almost 7 years ago

    ‘Nan, no, not at all. But I speak for myself.

    What I see from time to time is a left leaning comentator, an MSNBC type, for example, pointing out the irony, nay hypocrisy, in the right’s crocidilian tears.

    Show me an example of “liberal repression” of patriotic disagreement.

  14. dtroutma

    dtroutma GoComics PRO Member said, almost 7 years ago

    The Republicans voted against EVEN DEBATING the issue and working toward resolution in the public interest!

    Most of the arguments I hear against a health care program are based on nearly impossible ignorance of the facts, which is exactly what the media, and corporate controllers want.

    When parents deny medical treatment to their child, both left and right step up and say, “How can they kill their own child?” That reflects a different turn on religious involvement in society. Actually, many anti-abortion folks have cried out for their right to kill their child for the parent’s “religious freedom”.

    Right, modern medicine is science, and therefore not to be trusted.

    When I see some protestors, I wonder what the physiologic, and psychologic, genetics is for stupidity.

    I can understand “religious faith”, and “stupidity”, it doesn’t mean I have to accept it as rule of law in a “free” society.

  15. johndh123

    johndh123 said, almost 7 years ago

    dtroutma

    “Actually, many anti-abortion folks have cried out for their right to kill their child for the parent’s “religious freedom”.

    Well, if you are suggesting that some people opt for NOT using certain accepted medical procedures, causes them to “kill their child”. No dtroutma. Plunging a knife into their childs heart to purge it of the possession of the devil would constitute killing based on religion. For instance, would it be fair to say, if you were a neighbor of Ryan White’s family, that you would be given pause before you received a blood transfusion? Trust me when I say three years ago, I found I needed a transfusion I was very much against! I told the doctor to give me a glucose drip and I would be “out of here”. (had to work the next day you see) He said, sorry, you MUST have a transfusion. Apparently three pints of the blood stabilized me from my blood loss from internal bleeding. Now I will be unkind. You said
    “When I see some protestors, I wonder what the physiologic, and psychologic, genetics is for stupidity.” When you say such nonsense, you need look no further than your mirror my friend.

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