La Cucaracha by Lalo Alcaraz

La Cucaracha

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  1. ORMouseworks

    ORMouseworks said, 9 months ago

    This seems to be a rather harsh statement. Perhaps the people of Murrieta realize what all needs to happen to take care of these illegal Central American children. There’s food, shelter, clothing, medical and emotional care to begin with. All of this costs $$$ which I’ll bet the people of Murrieta just don’t have. Why should They take in children they have no way of supporting?!
    About these two guys reading the newspaper (who does That anyway these days!)…why don’t They jump up and volunteer to help both with time and money?! Where is the Mexican-American community in all of this? What about La Raza? I don’t see President Obama Doing anything about the children…and Why not?! I also wonder if the embassies of the Central-American countries from where these children came from are hiding their heads? All of this takes $$$, people. Just Where Is It Going To Come From?! All donations accepted…starting with these two guys sitting on the bench; and, of course, LA… ;)

  2. agrestic

    agrestic said, 9 months ago

    @ORMouseworks

    ORMouse, this is a really disturbing post. For one thing, who is asking the city of Murrieta to take all these refugee kids on? You make it sound like the plan is just to stick 60,000 kids in this place. These sorts of situations are what the federal government is for. You know what the feds have had plenty of money for lo these many years? Wars. Tax breaks for obscenely wealthy heirs and heiresses. Really, do you think that taking care of 60,000 kids for a year would cost much more than a week of warfighting in Iraq or Afghanistan? (Hint: we’ve been spending $10 million per hour on the war in Afghanistan alone since it started, as per National Priorities Project). What you’re engaging in is a macabre version of penny wise, pound foolish.
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    And it’s mean-spirited and narrow, to boot. When the entire city of New Orleans was inundated by Katrina and its aftermath, were there howling people with signs telling the refugees to go back to Louisiana? Were there mayors of cities in neighboring states complaining that there just wasn’t enough money to go around? No and no. There was a crisis, and people throughout the country stepped up to try to help the people of New Orleans.
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    Well, the crisis these children are fleeing is just as real. These aren’t just a bunch of kids who hopped on their bikes and thought they’d take a joy ride to see the USA. These were children being sent on dangerous 1,000-mile trips, being put in the unsavory hands of smugglers by their parents to try to make sure they didn’t get killed at home. The majority of the children interviewed have told about specific threats to their lives. And you want to talk about dollars. I point you to the plight of the German Jewish passengers on the MS St. Louis, who were denied entry to the US, Canada, and Cuba. They ended up back in Europe, where about a quarter of them are estimated to have died in concentration camps. You may find it more palatable to have Central American children be tortured and murdered at the hands of brutal gangs. If so, I would ask you to try to figure out where you misplaced that conscience of yours.
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    I also find it incredible that you don’t see Obama doing anything about the children. He’s got a whole response mobilized! What do you want him to do, get in a truck and personally drive them back to where they came so they can be killed? What do you want “La Raza” (whatever you mean by that rather vague use of the term) to do, kidnap a bunch of detained children away from the Border Patrol? Then you’d be screaming about how they got into the country illegally!

  3. Kaffekup

    Kaffekup said, 9 months ago

    @agrestic

    Excellent post, agrestic.
    I heard on NPR this morning that the gangs (which we deported in the 90’s without warning the governments they were coming) have been know to kill children and chop them up as a message to parents that they’d better let the gangs recruit their other children.

  4. don57

    don57 said, 9 months ago

    @agrestic

    “What do you want him to do, get in a truck and personally drive them back to where they came so they can be killed? "

    No, I’m sure ORMouseworkd is much more impressed by governors and pundits who cruise the Rio Grande with machine guns

  5. Night-Gaunt49

    Night-Gaunt49 GoComics PRO Member said, 9 months ago

    @ORMouseworks

    Pres. Obama in his Regressive way wants to expedite sending the refugees back to the hell holes the US helped to create.

  6. indiethink

    indiethink said, 9 months ago

    First of all, Lalo is again rehashing a subject he’s already beaten to death, but obviously that’s his stock in trade, so what else is new?
    Anyway, apparently many of these children have relatives in the U. S. that they are trying to find.
    If many of them are parents, what sort of people are they to leave their children behind in such dire conditions?
    Why didn’t they bring them here with them originally?
    It couldn’t be because of money, since someone has paid human traffickers to escort them all that distance.
    And I’m still not seeing Lalo take issue with Mexico for not doing anything to either stop them at its southern border (which it is just now starting to do), or providing a more suitable culture somewhere in its vast area to help them.
    Why is it left to the U.S.?
    Don’t Nicaragua and Honduras get La Cucaracha in their newspapers?
    If they did, they’d see that the U.S. is nothing but a bad place, overrun with terrible Republicans, Latino oppressors, George Bush, and TV news channels and talk show hosts that mangle your mind.
    No one would ever want to live here.
    Of course, they’d also see, according to Lalo, that the U.S. is the land of fly-ridden taco carts, ski mask-wearing wrestlers, pinatas, and illegal immigrants.

  7. agrestic

    agrestic said, 9 months ago

    @indiethink

    Aaaand indie yet again fails to think. First point of fact: these kids aren’t coming from Nicaragua, which doesn’t have the gang problems that El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala. And what do those three countries have in common? They sent a whole lot of refugees to the US because of US-sponsored terror regimes in each one. Absent decent social support in the US, many of the children of these refugees ended up forming gangs for self-protection, and these gangs eventually morphed into violent drug gangs. The US started deporting these gang members wholesale to their countries of origin, where, absent strong state institutions (no thanks to US intervention) they proliferated and became even more brutal. And so, directly because of a series of US actions, we now have this wave of refugee children, some of whom we’re literally storing in kennels while keeping them detained. I’d say that’s reason enough for it to be left to us, which it isn’t exclusively anyway. Neighboring Central American countries such as Costa Rica are also dealing with this same crisis of refugee children landing on their doorstep. As is Mexico, despite the violence there. Why don’t you ever actually try to learn anything before you start typing? Maybe you’ve never heard of this thing called Google? And what a morally bankrupt response “it’s not my responsibility” is, anyway. Once again I refer you to the MS St. Louis_. It’s even got a convenient entry in Wikipedia. Which you probably don’t know about, since anything smacking of research seems to be outside your brainspace.
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    As you no doubt know, or at least has been told to you many times, Lalo is Mexican-_American
    , not Mexican. Let’s assume your own ancestry is Norwegian, or Irish, or Ethiopian, and you’re even proud of it. What the hell does what you say have to do with that country? Do you expect a fourth-generation Chinese American who writes and talks about their experiences as a Chinese American to be preoccupied with the policies of the People’s Republic of China? If you do, here’s your “I’m a racist” sign. In fact, take it already, because that’s what you’re doing with Alcaraz.
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    But let’s take Mexico as a possible landing place for these kids. You don’t read much about the rampant, brutal gang violence happening there, do you? The kind of thing the kids from Central America are fleeing in the first place? And as you mention, many of these kids have relatives (aunts, uncles, etc.) in the US. Wouldn’t you rather send your kids to stay with relatives than to wander the streets alone somewhere as their final landing-spot? So yeah, they’re sending their kids where they think their kids will have support.
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    As for parents who may have been forced to leave their children behind to actually get livable work elsewhere, you don’t get out much, do you? Parents all over the world (and yes, right here in the good ol’ US of A) do this all the time. Most often, one parent will stay behind with the children. Or if need be they leave them with other relatives. Next time an immigrant Pilipina nurse takes your blood pressure, ask her if she has kids back home. Good chance she does. Casting aspersions on migrating parents is the height of insensitivity and ignorance, which is no less than I’d expect from you.
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    And do you have such a short attention span that you need a brand-new entertainment every time you turn around? This crisis remains in the news, particularly because right-wing politicians are keeping it in the news by calling out the National Guard and other over-the-top theatrics. And so it remains in La Cucaracha, because its creator happens to think it’s important. You think something else is important? Write something about it. Put it out there. Draw something about it. Make a movie. But I think we all know what you find important, and it keeps you coming back here, day after day, to do what might loosely be termed as some writing.
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    As to your tired complaints about the strip itself, well, all I’ll say is you really seem to like your horse meat tender.

  8. agrestic

    agrestic said, 9 months ago

    This link is particularly for ORMouse and anyone else who might like to learn some facts about the child refugee crisis: http://www.vox.com/2014/6/16/5813406/explain-child-migrant-crisis-central-america-unaccompanied-children-immigrants-daca

  9. Wabbit

    Wabbit GoComics PRO Member said, 9 months ago

    Thankis agrestic for the link to vox.com and the articles that talk in depth about who are these kids, why are they coming, what happens to them, how many might be allowed to stay.
    I haven’t read all the short articals, but there is a graph that shows that most are being sent away.
    Don’t know if it tells what happens to the kids who are turned away. I know that a bunch of people come to this site in order to put down the artist, gripe about

  10. ORMouseworks

    ORMouseworks said, 9 months ago

    @agrestic

    Please remember that the basis of my post is the "Where Are We Going To Get The $$$ to support, feed, clothe, get medical care, etc. If Pres. Obama is trying to come up with X amount of $$$, Where Is He Going To Get It? Congress? (BTW, you are correct about tax breaks for the rich. Also, I am Very aware about the shameful treatment innocent Jewish people on that ship). It is not my intent to of sound like I am mean-spirited; I am just being clear about the cost. And, This country is Not safe for children Anywhere, especially for our big cities’ poor and desperate. Case in point: the murders in Chicago, children being forced to be part of the drug industry, children being gang-raped and/or forced to be part of the sex trade, and so forth. These are Our children and their very lives cannot be guaranteed to last past the age or 6-7 years of age.. I’m sorry if I appear to be uncaring about these Central American children, that is simply not the truth. Having worked in the field of psychiatry, I saw day-to-day suffering by American Citizens whose government is letting them slip back into the living hell of mental illness. I don’t wish to make this post a book, so I’ll just be concise and say that we Have to Take Care of Our Children First, and Then extend our help to others. I doubt this will take place in the near future. There is just no $$$ available at this time for Our children. Children who die every day because of drugs, and children whose lives are totally and completely destroyed by the sex trade; children who are extremely hungry because there is no food available for them, and etc. (BTW, the people of New Orleans (for the most part) are residents of the state of Louisiana, not some foreign country). The needs of Our children Must be dealt with First. There is only so much $$$ to go around… ;)

  11. ORMouseworks

    ORMouseworks said, 9 months ago

    @don57

    ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE!!!

  12. ORMouseworks

    ORMouseworks said, 9 months ago

    @Night-Gaunt49

    Re: “hell holes”…what about the “hell holes” in our Own country?!

  13. ORMouseworks

    ORMouseworks said, 9 months ago

    @agrestic

    Re: your link. As soon as I have some time later on today, I’ll check out the website. I am trying to be open-minded about the problem with these children, but I have seen with my own eyes the filthy, crumbling, disgusting places some of our own children are being forced to live in (especially in The Bronx, NYC, for example). We MUST put the needs of our own children FIRST. To me that is the bottom line. Like I said, I will read the article to see what it has to say. In turn, I’d like you to consider why it is necessary to help Our Own children first.

  14. Night-Gaunt49

    Night-Gaunt49 GoComics PRO Member said, 9 months ago

    @ORMouseworks

    What about them? Neither Democrats nor Republicans care as long as they can’t fix it themselves. And blow back is a problem here.

  15. agrestic

    agrestic said, 9 months ago

    @ORMouseworks

    For many of the children, were they allowed to stay in the country, they would become the responsibility of the adult relatives they had come to meet. For others, there are established systems and institutions throughout the country that deal with children from all sorts of backgrounds. And yes, Congress would be a logical place to get money, though the Republicans there seem hell-bent on denying any funding for anything that might smack of actually being nice, caring, or even human toward anybody, whether child refugee or US citizen. But since it’s kids coming across international borders, it’s up to the federal government to do something.
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    In terms of this country not being safe for children, I’d disagree. Yes, there are areas such as parts of Chicago where the situation is absolutely a humanitarian crisis. And yes, overall, the US is a lot less safe of a place for anyone, including children, than Japan or Norway or Croatia or Canada (or a lot of other countries). But the intentional homicide rate in Honduras is the highest in the world: nearly 20 times that of the US. Belize, El Salvador, and Guatemala are #3, 4, and 5 in that list, at fully 10 times the rate of the US. Mexico’s murder rate is more than 4 times that of the US. (All numbers from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate). Which country would you rather have your child take its chances in? It’s not like we’re fielding refugees from Lichtenstein.
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    Aside from this, do you think if we turn these children away that will actually make a difference for the millions of children in the US now? According to childstats.gov, there are 73.6 million children living in the US. These children, the large bulk of whom would be taken in by relatives, friends, and the like, can be absorbed by the services we have in place. Though we need more money for pretty much all child services anyway, including better pay for teachers, more nutrition and other programs, etc., etc., etc. But if we just toss these refugee children back to where over half of them have been specifically and personally targeted for murder, it’s not going to mean any more resources for children in the US. It’s a matter of setting priorities, and I’ll just reiterate that the Republicans in Congress seem to have prioritized making sure as many people are miserable as possible.
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    In terms of “our” children, this is where I think you and I have a fundamental philosophical difference. See, I think all children are ours. This is why I brought up Katrina. Why should Californians or even Texans have to deal with a bunch of people displaced from Louisiana? They were crossing the border from one state to the other! When people are in fundamental need and fleeing for their lives, you don’t draw the line at the state borders, and I don’t draw the line at the national borders. And I’d argue that in this case, since the majority of these kids meet the criteria for refugee status, the US, a signatory to the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees—since we ratified it, it’s considered, according to our constitution, to be the “supreme law of the land”—we actually have no right to turn them back. Besides, they are part of our species, and they are in need. In addition, as I pointed out in my previous post to indie, we can draw a direct line from US intervention in these children’s countries to them showing up here now. So if nothing else, maybe we should consider that old store saying, “You break it, you buy it.” We are fundamentally responsible for these kids’ position.

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