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18 dead is normal? 18 families in grief. 18 schools and/or businesses where a friend/classmate/coworker/etc is missing. 18 funerals. 18 hospital bills for failed attempts to keep someone alive, or storing the body in a morgue until the funeral director comes to collect the body. 18 x the number of friends/family missing work in order to go to a funeral. 18. Such a small number when one considers how many are effected. Sadly, C. to reply to the first commentator, Jesus would not approve of gun deaths, car deaths, or unkind sarcasm. But I could be wrong, I only know him from some writings where he said, Love one another. Maybe he really said, Kill them all-God knows his own. But I don’t think so… “The Greatest of these is Love.” Yeah… that sounds like the Jesus I believe in. Respectfully C.
And that pretty much sums up the American populace’s simplistic attitude toward gun related violence: it’s never the people who are at fault, but always the gun! If we carry this juvenile ‘logic’ to its extreme then we should be calling for a total ban on cars as a way to get drunk drivers off the roads! And by the way, there are a hell of a lot more vehicular deaths in this country yearly than gun related ones, but there is nary a whimper about that. One wonders why.
How about the 125 daily average for automobile related deaths. I guess it is more socially acceptable to die behind the wheel than by a gunshot. Of those 18 how many are related to other criminal acts and not straight out murder.
It’s the people with the guns. And the lame argument about vehicular deaths is just that – lame. Without legs. Why? Because these are accidents, first of all. As a pastor, I’ve buried both car accident victims and gun murder victims. I guarantee the families feel differently about those deaths. How a person dies does matter. But aside from that, why should a high number of car deaths negate the fact that there are way too many PREVENTABLE and unnecessary gun deaths. By all means, let’s work for fewer auto deaths. In fact, law changes and technology changes are making a dramatic difference. But why should we not also work to reduce far more easily preventable gun deaths? We know that it’s possible to do so in a free and prosperous society because many others have done it. Are you suggesting that we’re too dumb to be able to do what others do? Or that we’re too arrogant to learn from others? Or that we just like shooting people?
Actually, historical evidence (non-Christian) is pretty strong that Jesus did exist. But from all that’s known about him, he would disapprove of the guns and NRA.
“And thousands of auto deaths and disabilities. PRAISEJESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!” Interesting story for you – In 2006, I was in Ireland, sitting in a pub in Kildare. The news on the TV ran a story about drinking and driving, and gave some local statistics. The other patrons near us began discussing how terrible it was that 7 people had died in County Kildare from drinking and driving in 2005. I told them back home, we called that “Tuesday”. It’s amazing that a country stereotypically known for drinking has such a low percentage of drunk driving deaths compared to us. I guess we’re just stupid. Any thoughts from Germany, Morty?
I guess being an atheist you don’t understand the concept of preaching to the choir? The first commenter on this string claims to be a Christian and invoked the name of Jesus. Being one who of the deluded who believes in the God of Abraham- who is the God worshiped by Moses, Daniel, Jesus, and Mohammed, I find it easier to debate with other ‘believers’ if I use the same frame of reference as they. As I have no proof my beliefs are valid, I do not expect, require, or vote to have my beliefs made law. I have total respect for the hundreds of compassionate “unbelievers” I’ve come to know. I also have total disgust for many self proclaimed “faithful” who do harm to others in the name of God. You may well be right, Chillbilly. However, your statement has no value. It is gratuitous and already accepted by other atheists, and it is a slap in the face of people who have made real sacrifices in the name of love and compassion based on the sayings of a dead man, who might, and you can’t disprove this, still be watching what’s happening. I don’t insult the atheists & agnostics in these discussions, but just because I still believe in “Santa Claus” doesn’t make it right, or even nice, for you bludgeon me with your ‘facts." If the name of Jesus hadn’t been invoked by one who often makes comments with a religious slant, I would not have used it either. I have no proof, but if I had proof, I wouldn’t need faith. It’s like courage. If you’re never afraid, what do need to be brave for? Respectfully, & Faithfully, C.
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Ms. Ima said, 5 months ago
And thousands of auto deaths and disabilities. PRAISE JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Respectful Troll said, 5 months ago
18 dead is normal? 18 families in grief. 18 schools and/or businesses where a friend/classmate/coworker/etc is missing. 18 funerals. 18 hospital bills for failed attempts to keep someone alive, or storing the body in a morgue until the funeral director comes to collect the body. 18 x the number of friends/family missing work in order to go to a funeral.
18.
Such a small number when one considers how many are effected.
Sadly,
C.
to reply to the first commentator,
Jesus would not approve of gun deaths, car deaths, or unkind sarcasm. But I could be wrong, I only know him from some writings where he said, Love one another. Maybe he really said, Kill them all-God knows his own.
But I don’t think so…
“The Greatest of these is Love.”
Yeah…
that sounds like the Jesus I believe in.
Respectfully
C.
Ms. Ima said, 5 months ago
Of those 18 how many are due to drugs, gangs, hate, spite etc?
Chillbilly
said, 5 months ago
Jesus doesn’t approve or disapprove of anything. He’s dead.
skipcarlsen said, 5 months ago
And that pretty much sums up the American populace’s simplistic attitude toward gun related violence: it’s never the people who are at fault, but always the gun! If we carry this juvenile ‘logic’ to its extreme then we should be calling for a total ban on cars as a way to get drunk drivers off the roads! And by the way, there are a hell of a lot more vehicular deaths in this country yearly than gun related ones, but there is nary a whimper about that. One wonders why.
Kevin Robinson said, 5 months ago
How about the 125 daily average for automobile related deaths. I guess it is more socially acceptable to die behind the wheel than by a gunshot. Of those 18 how many are related to other criminal acts and not straight out murder.
Clark Kent said, 5 months ago
jesus never existed. Nor did god, satan, heaven or hell and they never will. Unfortunately, guns and the nra are real.
cdward said, 5 months ago
@Ms. Ima
Does it matter?
Simon_Jester said, 5 months ago
@Ms. Ima
Reagan
cdward said, 5 months ago
@skipcarlsen
It’s the people with the guns. And the lame argument about vehicular deaths is just that – lame. Without legs. Why? Because these are accidents, first of all. As a pastor, I’ve buried both car accident victims and gun murder victims. I guarantee the families feel differently about those deaths. How a person dies does matter. But aside from that, why should a high number of car deaths negate the fact that there are way too many PREVENTABLE and unnecessary gun deaths. By all means, let’s work for fewer auto deaths. In fact, law changes and technology changes are making a dramatic difference. But why should we not also work to reduce far more easily preventable gun deaths? We know that it’s possible to do so in a free and prosperous society because many others have done it. Are you suggesting that we’re too dumb to be able to do what others do? Or that we’re too arrogant to learn from others? Or that we just like shooting people?
cdward said, 5 months ago
@Clark Kent
Actually, historical evidence (non-Christian) is pretty strong that Jesus did exist. But from all that’s known about him, he would disapprove of the guns and NRA.
Fourcrows said, 5 months ago
@Ms. Ima
“And thousands of auto deaths and disabilities. PRAISE JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Interesting story for you –
In 2006, I was in Ireland, sitting in a pub in Kildare. The news on the TV ran a story about drinking and driving, and gave some local statistics. The other patrons near us began discussing how terrible it was that 7 people had died in County Kildare from drinking and driving in 2005. I told them back home, we called that “Tuesday”. It’s amazing that a country stereotypically known for drinking has such a low percentage of drunk driving deaths compared to us. I guess we’re just stupid. Any thoughts from Germany, Morty?
Kylie2112 said, 5 months ago
@Kevin Robinson
Consider the number of people who actively drive in a given day, compared to those who actively handle a gun each day.
Respectful Troll said, 5 months ago
@Chillbilly
I guess being an atheist you don’t understand the concept of preaching to the choir?
The first commenter on this string claims to be a Christian and invoked the name of Jesus.
Being one who of the deluded who believes in the God of Abraham- who is the God worshiped by Moses, Daniel, Jesus, and Mohammed, I find it easier to debate with other ‘believers’ if I use the same frame of reference as they.
As I have no proof my beliefs are valid, I do not expect, require, or vote to have my beliefs made law. I have total respect for the hundreds of compassionate “unbelievers” I’ve come to know. I also have total disgust for many self proclaimed “faithful” who do harm to others in the name of God.
You may well be right, Chillbilly. However, your statement has no value. It is gratuitous and already accepted by other atheists, and it is a slap in the face of people who have made real sacrifices in the name of love and compassion based on the sayings of a dead man, who might, and you can’t disprove this, still be watching what’s happening.
I don’t insult the atheists & agnostics in these discussions, but just because I still believe in “Santa Claus” doesn’t make it right, or even nice, for you bludgeon me with your ‘facts."
If the name of Jesus hadn’t been invoked by one who often makes comments with a religious slant, I would not have used it either.
I have no proof, but if I had proof, I wouldn’t need faith.
It’s like courage. If you’re never afraid, what do need to be brave for?
Respectfully,
& Faithfully,
C.
Ms. Ima said, 5 months ago
@Chillbilly
Praise Jesus on that!