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  1. DoctorUmmmNo

    DoctorUmmmNo said, 5 months ago

    Best way to pay for a college education: major in something that will actually help you get a job.

    If you want to major in basket weaving or Women’s Studies, that’s fine. But, unless you’ve got cash up front, plan on paying student loans, till you retire.

  2. ARodney

    ARodney said, 5 months ago

    Best way to pay for a college education — go to college back in the 1980s, when America still believed in funding education for our citizens. Even if you major in medicine or engineering, you won’t be able to pay that debt off for decades, because wages are not going up at the rate of education costs. And what kind of country have we become where people like Doctor No condemn talented musicians and artists and tell them they’re not deserving of an education in the field they excel in? “Sorry, you ought to drive haul trucks, that’s where the money is.”

  3. Bruce4671

    Bruce4671 GoComics PRO Member said, 5 months ago

    @ARodney

    You have some points ARod, especially the one about “where the money is” though driving a truck ain’t it.

    Still, why is it the governments responsibility to pay for college? Shouldn’t those that will reap the benefits (big business) foot the bill?

    BUT, if government is involved then they should reap the benefit. How about a 6 year commitment to a government agency in exchange for a 4 year degree?

    Oh…wait……that IS available……(Army, AirForce, Navy, Marines, CoastGuard) just sign on the ine my brother.

    But I think NASA should have the largest budget and they should be training as many young people as possible… just sayin

  4. I Play One On TV

    I Play One On TV said, 5 months ago

    @Bruce4671

    “But I think NASA should have the largest budget and they should be training as many young people as possible…”

    Well stated. NASA helped us develop fuel cells, integrated circuits, and other major tech advances which advanced our society in fields more numerous than just space travel. It should never have been defunded.

  5. Zuhlamon

    Zuhlamon said, 5 months ago

    @Bruce4671

    Still, why is it the governments responsibility to pay for college?
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    The government issues money to private banks who make the loans. The banks accept the profit and none of the risk. Pretty sweet, huh? Well, except for the students, who pay a much, much higher interest rate. Elizabeth Warren is trying to get the interest rates down, or to cut our the middle man. Gee, guess who’s blocking that idea?

  6. lonecat

    lonecat said, 5 months ago

    There’s something wrong with an economic system that requires a college degree and makes it impossible to get one.

  7. martens misses all her friends

    martens misses all her friends GoComics PRO Member said, 5 months ago

    @lonecat

    And there is something wrong with an educations system that is focused on teaching what to learn rather than how to learn. The “what” is highly likely to be outdated rapidly, the “how” never and is also the most effective way to keep up with the “what” .

  8. lonecat

    lonecat said, 5 months ago

    @martens misses all her friends

    I agree with you completely — but…
    When I was young (well, college age — that seems pretty young to me now) I was part of an educational experiment which was based on teaching the “how” without much “what”. It didn’t work, at least for me. It was like trying to make fire by rubbing imaginary sticks together. I rebelled, left the program, and went into classics, where we have lots and lots of “what” to learn. By learning that “what”, however, it’s possible to learn “how” the “what” gets to be “what”, and thus “how” a new “what” can be developed. As always, balance is good.

  9. martens misses all her friends

    martens misses all her friends GoComics PRO Member said, 5 months ago

    @lonecat

    Yes, of course I agree that one must have “what”. In fact, sufficient “what” is, according to the experts, required to teach critical thinking. I guess what I object to is the idea that you teach a student to use a widget but forget to teach how the widget works or why it works, and then a new widget comes out and the student is lost. A colleague of mine was lecturing in the intro pharmacology course in the med school. He spent a lot of time on how the drugs he was covering really functioned, but the students objected to him spending time on this. They said all they wanted to know was which drug at what dose and not “waste” their time on how the drug worked. What they didn’t realize, of course, was that those drugs would be replaced by newer drugs maybe even before they finished med school.

  10. DoctorUmmmNo

    DoctorUmmmNo said, 5 months ago

    Rather than keep responding to individual comments, I’ll leave some general observations.

    I seem to recall that students were supposed to have at least a rough hewn ability to learn & analyze by the 12th grade. Some would go into low skilled jobs, some would go into a program to learn a trade, a few would go into formal, higher education for specialized knowledge. The demand for specialized knowledge is much greater than it was even 30 years ago. The laws of supply & demand made it inevitable that the suppliers of specialized knowledge (aka universities) would be more valuable. Not all degrees hold equal economic value. Disagree all you want, but it doesn’t change the facts.

    If you want to major in Victorian Literature, go ahead. But, don’t expect me to subsidize it & don’t expect great job prospects to be accompany that degree.

    If you want to be a knowledgable, well rounded person, college is hardly the only way of getting there. I know plenty of people with college degrees, who stopped learning the minute they threw their caps in the air. I know some High School dropouts who are incredibly well read, articulate, with strong reasoning skills. We’ve long since moved past the era when universities were the only knowledge centers.

    Talented musicians & artists have always struggled to make a living. What’s interesting, is that most of the great artists & musicians, never went to college (or dropped out). Most learned what they needed by finding someone to teach them outside of the formal education system. I might argue that sending all of our musicians & artists to college, is the best way to stifle their creativity by indoctrinating them with what schools think they should learn & how they should do things.

    More people can afford a college education than ever. Those talking about the idea that college shouldn’t just be about going into a lucrative career, have a point. A lot of the practical skills that used to be learned through trade schools & apprenticeships, have been co-opted by the university system. That drives up the price for everyone.

  11. Chris Sherlock

    Chris Sherlock said, 5 months ago

    @ARodney

  12. Chris Sherlock

    Chris Sherlock said, 5 months ago

    @Finsterlaine

  13. Melekalikimaka

    Melekalikimaka said, 5 months ago

    Cutting off education to the masses is a tactic in a dictatorship or fascist government. Educated masses are a threat because these people think for themselves and might not agree with the government. Making education a privilege of the rich man takes us backward in time to indentured servants and poor houses, putting only rich men in charge. Just because you’re rich doesn’t make you a noble person.

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