Classic Doonesbury (1972) by Garry Trudeau

Doonesbury

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  1. leftwingpatriot

    leftwingpatriot said, 7 months ago

    That’s right, Phred the Terrorist. Not to be confused with his cousin, Phrank the podiatrist.

  2. Dean

    Dean said, 7 months ago

    I seem to recall in the 70’s it was the French that occupied before we did, but I was only a teen so I could be wrong.

  3. wndrwrthg

    wndrwrthg GoComics PRO Member said, 7 months ago

    True, They did. Then there was this little thing at a place called Dien Bien Phu.

  4. Bruno Zeigerts

    Bruno Zeigerts said, 7 months ago

    @Dean

    Yes, and before them the Japanese. Apparently, one of the blunders after WWII was committed by a British officer. When faced with growing anarchy, he rearmed Japanese prisoners and entrusted them to keep the peace… instead of the Vietminh.

  5. Borntalkingback

    Borntalkingback said, 7 months ago

    @Dean

    My recollection is that there was a revolution to drive the French colonialists out and the US, conveniently forgetting their own history with the British, went in to save colonialism for the future. The whole point originally was to keep the French occupiers in power. And then things shifted…

  6. Clark  Kent

    Clark Kent said, 7 months ago

    Ho Chi Min originally went to the USA for help after the army of Japan left after WW2 but the USA basically ignored him.

  7. Borntalkingback

    Borntalkingback said, 7 months ago

    @Clark Kent

    Yes, and they asked Martha Gellhorn to investigate and advise and she told them to back Ho and they ignored her, too. The problem was that, just as in Iraq 40 years later, the administration never troubled to study the country they were invading. There was no danger whatever of the Vietnamese buying the Chinese line. They hated the Chinese. But McNamara only learned that decades too late.

  8. Gweedo - It's legal here !!! -  Murray

    Gweedo - It's legal here !!! - Murray GoComics PRO Member said, 7 months ago

    @Clark Kent

    Ho Chi Min originally went to the USA for help after the army of Japan left after WW2 but the USA basically ignored him.



    Interesting that you should say that !
    My brother’s father in law did sniper work in Korea during the conflict and had mentioned to me just what you said. The man appeared before whatever person or group, plain dressed and was given short shrift.

  9. pbarnrob

    pbarnrob said, 7 months ago

    Time to go back and (re-)read The Ugly American(1958), for several kinds of “Ugly”.

    IIRC, Ðiên Biên Phú was in 1953-54, with some American involvement during, and almost immediate escalation afterward.

  10. DavidHuieGreen

    DavidHuieGreen said, 7 months ago

    “Raze a hamlet in 30 seconds” with everybody in it?
    or does that include getting them to safety first?
    Of course, it’s a poor terrorist who doesn’t kill everybody he can.
    .
    From:
    http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2004/10/global-us-troop-deployment-1950-2003
    .
    “the number of troops sent to Vietnam — from less than 1,000 personnel in 1961 to 537,000 in 1968, then quickly down to zero seven years later”
    .
    One would think the less than a thousand up to 1961 would not have forced too many to learn English.
    Half a million is another matter.
    .
    Not that everybody shouldn’t learn English. I’m a gonna try it sometime, muhself.

  11. LameRandomName

    LameRandomName said, 7 months ago

    @Clark Kent

    Clark,
    They didn’t ignore him. The members of the political class that ran the US government at that time simply decided that France was a more useful partner in the confrontation with the USSR, and bet that way. The fact that they were wrong is fairly obvious in retrospect but perhaps not so much at the time. Life is like that… You can only see so far ahead, after which everything degenerates to guesswork.
    It is however worth keeping in mind that they had been fighting the Chinese since the Pleistocene era. That’s a very intense sort of persistence. What can you do in any case? People AND nations have the right to make bad choices.

  12. dukedoug

    dukedoug said, 7 months ago

    @Dean

    Yep … There’s a huge tradition of French influence on Vietnamese cooking. Many Vietnamese refugees came to Aus. after the fall of Saigon and many of those opened bakeries here … a mix of French-style baguettes and Vietnamese pork rolls !!

  13. Illegal Seagull

    Illegal Seagull said, 7 months ago

    Our warm cuddly good natured friends in those care free happy go lucky times, the Viet Cong.

  14. Newshound41

    Newshound41 said, 7 months ago

    @DavidHuieGreen
    Occupation doesn’t have to mean the military. There is also economic and cultural occupation. Signs for Coke and Chesterfields. American movies and music. After the French left, US became the dominant player in South Vietnam even before the mass influx of troops.

  15. $$i9

    $$i9 said, 7 months ago

    Ho Chi Minh wrote prez Harry Truman a letter asking for assistance and Truman didn’t give him the courtesy of a reply. Even though the aspirations of Vietnam was what we Americans admire, even though they believed in freedom and independence, their being labeled as “Communist” was the only thing needed to make them our enemies.

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