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annieb1012 said, 3 months ago
There certainly has been a lot in the press lately about the U of P (P.U.?) Today, Colorado Public Radio reported that within the next twelve years or so, all of CO’s public higher ed will become private due to the rapid dwindling of state support. Tuition costs have risen exponentially in recent years. Well, they’ve risen a lot, anyway.
Richard S. Russell said, 3 months ago
Never trust anyone who uses “she” or “her” to refer to inanimate objects.
38lowell said, 3 months ago
….another rock thrown!!
luckylouie said, 3 months ago
@Richard S. Russell
Except for ships (Speaking as an old Navy man). We refer to ships as “she” because they’re like women — They’re beautiful, sleek and graceful, and it takes a lot of money and paint and hard work to keep them that way
AKHenderson
said, 3 months ago
Does U. of Phoenix offer those “______ Studies” degrees that are good only for employing “______ Studies” professors and Starbucks clerks?
Tucci said, 3 months ago
@krickl
" If you don’t want to go to a ‘for profit’ then don’t. Go to a ‘normal’ school."
The term “normal school” refers to an educational institution established to train high school graduates as teachers. Per Wiki-bloody-pedia, the first such was established by Jean Baptiste de La Salle as the École Normale in Reims (1685).
They’re better known in America today as “teachers’ colleges,” and most of them have bloated into universities.
For more on the subject, look up the late Richard Mitchell (1929-2002), professor of English and the classics at one such normal school, and famous as the writer and publisher of The Underground Grammarian in critique of educationalism.
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“It is possible, of course, to keep educated people unfree in a state of civilization, but it’s much easier to keep ignorant people unfree in a state of civilization. And it is easiest of all if you can convince the ignorant that they are educated, for you can thus make them collaborators in your disposition of their liberty and property. That is the institutionally assigned task, for all that it may be invisible to those who perform it, of American public education.” (Richard Mitchell)
dlmettler said, 3 months ago
This a step up?
Q4horse said, 3 months ago
At for profit schools you get educated. At public schools you get indoctrinated.
Astolat said, 3 months ago
“Partly accredited?” Is that like the curate’s egg: “good in parts, my Lord”? As in “Not actually good at all”…?
Tucci said, 3 months ago
@Q4horse
“At for profit schools you get educated. At public schools you get indoctrinated.”
You betcha. Again drawing on Professor Mitchell (from The Graves of Academe, 1981):
“Imagine that you are one of those functionaries of government in whom there has grown, it seems inescapable, the propensity to command, in however oblique a fashion and for whatever supposedly good purpose, the liberty and property of your constituents. Which would you prefer, educated constituents or ignorant ones? Wait. Be sure to answer the question in Jefferson’s terms. Which would you rather face, even considering your own conviction that the cause in which you want to command liberty and property is just — citizens with or without the power of informed discretion? Citizens having that power will require of you a laborious and detailed justification of your intentions and expectations and may, even having that, adduce other information and exercise further discretion to the contrary of your propensities. On the other hand, the ill-informed and undiscriminating can easily be persuaded by the recitation of popular slogans and the appeal to self-interest, however spurious. It is only informed discretion that can detect such maneuvers.”
Sounds like the “low-information voters” whose ballots brought the Cook County Corruptocrat into the White House and recently gave him the “flexibility” he needs to complete the job of destroying our economy and our republic, doesn’t it?
puddleglum1066 said, 3 months ago
@annieb1012
“Private” is not the same as “for profit.” There are tons of excellent private, non-profit colleges and universities out there, performing real education and preparing people to be both productive members of the economy and active citizens in a democracy. I imagine that even some of the for-profit schools are good (there’s no inherent reason that the profit motive precludes quality). But there are also clearly some big, high-profile for-profit schools with very poor results. The easy way to check, of course, is to ask, “Do your credits transfer?”
puddleglum1066 said, 3 months ago
“At for profit schools you get educated. At public schools you get indoctrinated.”
To use the polite term, bovine excrement.
All schools indoctrinate. It’s unavoidable. A school that tries not to indoctrinate any specific corporate or government agenda will simply indoctrinate the agenda that indoctrination and agendas are bad, which the often (but not always) are.
We have traditionally dealt with this problem by having a variety of schooling methods: home schooling, public schools, religious schools, private non-religious schools, and now corporate schools. As long as students (and their parents, who have traditionally had a fairly major intput to college-choice decisions because they’ll be paying for a good chunk of the tuition) have a choice and are willing to put in the effort to make a reasonably informed choice, society will muddle through. It’s only when one style gets a monopoly that we have cause to worry about the future of our society.
Tucci said, 3 months ago
@puddleglum1066
“But there are also clearly some big, high-profile for-profit schools with very poor results. The easy way to check, of course, is to ask, ‘Do your credits transfer?’”
Is it also correct to observe that these dubious for-profit schools operate on a business model that depends overwhelmingly on their students getting monetary support of some kind from government?
We seem to be looking at these schools exploiting military service veterans exercising the present equivalent of G.I. educational benefits, “disadvantaged” students leveraging government grant programs, unemployed adults seeking “re-training” funded by public expenditures, and always – always – loans from the Department of Education which leave the student staggering under loads of debt whether he completes the sought schooling and finds related employment or not.
Ever since government support for students in higher education got started in the years following World War Two, effectively all colleges and universities have shamelessly ratcheted up tuition costs and other expenses to match and exceed the levels of political monetary support they knew each student could access. They drove their matriculants into debt, knowing that no middle class or working class American family could afford to put their children through college or grad school without those kids coming out with ever more harrowing debt burdens.
The evolution of for-profit “mills” like the University of Phoenix (est. 1976) was inevitable, though with the ongoing Obama Depression their R.O.I. has fallen catastrophically. Quoting from the current pertinent article on Wiki-frickin’-pedia:
“In October 2012, it announced plans to close 115 campuses due to a drastic drop in its profits. The New York Times reported that ‘enrollments at the University of Phoenix and in the for-profit sector over all have been declining in the last two years, partly because of growing competition from other online providers, including nonprofit and public universities, and a steady drumroll of negative publicity about the sector’s recruiting abuses, low graduation rates and high default rates … including many charges that the schools enrolled students who had almost no chance of succeeding, to get their federal student aid.’”
Not surprisingly, in this “Walden-goes-for-profit” sequence we have Trudeau flailing away (as usual) at a dead horse.
Beleck3 said, 3 months ago
partly accredited. aah, the use of words to scam over those partly asleep/zombies aka Republicans. been working for the last 30 years, since St. Reagan. and we have all seen how well tht works out for the 99%. lol
ah, a Brave new World/aka the New World Order.
to watch the Right kowtow like obediant slaves is so astounding. Money, the only God the Rigth worships. that petty figure of Jesus the Right has totally forgotten in their new Worship of that Golden Calf. seems i read about this same Baal from ancient history, talk about old time Religion. lol
ah Walden and Zipper pieces in a fallen empire
wdgnas said, 3 months ago
@Tucci
and oral roberts u you get educated. liar.