Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau

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  1. leftwingpatriot

    leftwingpatriot GoComics PRO Member said, about 5 years ago

    I am waiting…

  2. DylanThomas3.14159

    DylanThomas3.14159 said, about 5 years ago

    CARRY-OVER FROM PREVIOUS STRIP
     
    I want to point out, before the GoComics switches to the next day’s strip, that I asked the question: What if China invaded Taiwan, would we ask to borrow money from China in order to fight China? I got a number of answers, all of them saying, in effect, that it wouldn’t / couldn’t happen because of one contingency or another. One said the existence of a nuclear North Korea’s would prevent it. Another said the existence of the U.S. 7th fleet would prevent it. Another said the existence of a trillion $$ debt that WE owe to China would prevent it.
     
    But not a single responder answered the question, which was WHAT IF IT DID happen?
     
    My response to three of these non-answers is this: • A nuclear N. Korea is so dependent on China that it would probably applaud the invasion, rather than prevent it. • The President would not allow U.S. 7th fleet to fight China for a number of reasons (we’re too tied up in Iraq-Iran, for one) any more than that we would intervene with boots on the ground in Libya (China being many many times more fearsome than Libya). • The trillion dollar debt WE owe to China doesn’t compare with the value in multiple trillions of dollars Taiwan represents to China. (China would waive the debt for possession of the economic powerhouse that Taiwan represents.)
     
    All right, “slings and arrows of outrageous fortune”, let fly!

  3. leftwingpatriot

    leftwingpatriot GoComics PRO Member said, about 5 years ago

    @DylanThomas3.14159

    When a country is as busy at making money as China is, it doesn’t want to ruin a good thing by starting a war.

  4. DylanThomas3.14159

    DylanThomas3.14159 said, about 5 years ago

    @leftwingpatriot

    Why not? We did (under Bush II).

  5. leftwingpatriot

    leftwingpatriot GoComics PRO Member said, about 5 years ago

    @DylanThomas3.14159

    The Chinese are smarter than Bush. They’re Asian.
    Off topic: can you see today’s strip.

  6. DylanThomas3.14159

    DylanThomas3.14159 said, about 5 years ago

    @leftwingpatriot

    Also under LBJ (Vietnam, not a start, but a SIGNIFICANT escalation).

  7. sonny1

    sonny1 said, about 5 years ago

    @DylanThomas3.14159

    If what you postulate were true China would take Taiwan tomorrow. Debt or no debt, the FACT that China has military strength but can not PROJECT it, even as far as Taiwan keeps it form happening. She could place seven division into Taiwan but her supply lines would only be able to support one. That’s even if we did nothing with the 7th Fleet. When China can project her forces farther than just off coast she WILL take Taiwan.

  8. leftwingpatriot

    leftwingpatriot GoComics PRO Member said, about 5 years ago

    @DylanThomas3.14159

    We were obsessed with the Cold War mentality back then. Nobody wanted to be accused of being soft on Communism.

  9. DylanThomas3.14159

    DylanThomas3.14159 said, about 5 years ago

    “… China would take Taiwan tomorrow.”
     
    I doubt that.
     
    “When China can project her forces farther than just off coast she WILL take Taiwan.”
     
    I don’t think this assertion is the case.

  10. sonny1

    sonny1 said, about 5 years ago

    And before you say look at Tibet the only reason why China won that one was because Tibet has no real military and the supply line was over land and even then her forces (China’s) has difficulty keeping anything but ammunition up forward.

  11. leftwingpatriot

    leftwingpatriot GoComics PRO Member said, about 5 years ago

    @sonny1

    Taiwan is one PRC’s largest trading partners and investors. Taking Taiwan by military force would be literally killing the Golden Goose.

  12. palin drome

    palin drome said, about 5 years ago

    @DylanThomas3.14159

    Give it a rest, Pi. It’s too hypothetical to warrant a serious answer. You might as well ask “what if Herman Cain never abused his authority,” or “what if BHO were to turn on his Wall Street backers.”

  13. DylanThomas3.14159

    DylanThomas3.14159 said, about 5 years ago

    @leftwingpatriot

    For China to invade Taiwan is not as stupid as Bush’s decision to invade Iraq (note I didn’t say Afghanistan I). Especially if it could do so blitzkrieg / Patton style.

  14. leftwingpatriot

    leftwingpatriot GoComics PRO Member said, about 5 years ago

    @DylanThomas3.14159

    Wow, the strip hasn’t appeared yet and we already have more than 15 comments. Thanks for keeping the discussion alive DT. Now I lay my head down to…

  15. DylanThomas3.14159

    DylanThomas3.14159 said, about 5 years ago

    I would hold out that none of the above arguments against China’s taking of Taiwan is true.
     
    I think that China is not invading Taiwan (remember it has an older history of shelling Taiwan) now ONLY because China thinks that it can absorb Taiwan the same way it absorbed Hong Kong (from UK) in 1997 (i.e., without a fight).

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