Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau


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  1. palin drome

    palin drome said, over 6 years ago

    GT must have prepared this strip to mark the big transition, but then gotten tired of waiting for Iraq to form a government. Its Parliament, elected in March, finally convened on 14 June but after a month now still hasn’t been able to fill any of Iraq’s chief ministries.

    From this initial sequence of panels, I suspect GT is going to pretend that this withdrawal parallels our leaving Vietnam forty years ago so that he can dodge the more interesting question of what our invasion has achieved politically. But maybe he’ll surprise us, despite his advancing years, with a fresh analysis.

  2. palin drome

    palin drome said, over 6 years ago

    Well, Joe, at least we have your fresh analysis. I expect more like it from those who keep saying we shouldn’t have invaded Iraq. Political debate seizes upon what is or will be, not upon what should have been but never was.

  3. TheSoundDefense

    TheSoundDefense said, over 6 years ago

    “We didn’t lose in the Vietnam Conflict because we were not officially at war with any country.”

    I’m sure this technicality makes you feel much better about yourself.

    If you get beat up by someone, do you say “well I didn’t lose because I never officially challenged you to a fight?”

  4. Sheik Yerbouti

    Sheik Yerbouti said, over 6 years ago

    Joe, whether you think we won or lost in Vietnam, go take a look at The Wall sometime. And then tell me if anyone won. There are a lot of names there, and some of them were friends of mine.

  5. NebulousRikulau

    NebulousRikulau GoComics PRO Member said, over 6 years ago

    Joe-Allen “Joe” Doty said, “We didn’t lose in the Vietnam Conflict because we were not officially at war with any country.”

    Then why DID we lose in the Vietnam Conflict?

    We may not be at war WITH Afghanistan, after the fall of the Taliban and installation of the new government, But we ARE at war IN Afghanistan.

  6. Andrew_C

    Andrew_C said, over 6 years ago

    I got the impression that Joe was being ironic.

    EDIT irony, not sarcasm (always get them mixed up).

  7. Commentator

    Commentator said, over 6 years ago

    You’re a good man, Sheik.

  8. BrianCrook

    BrianCrook said, over 6 years ago

    Yerbouti, I feel the same way. Everyone who can should visit the Vietnam War memorial on the mall in D.C. My cousin’s name is on it. It is a great memorial, and I wish that more Americans had learned its lessons & not invaded Afghanistan & Iraq.

    Good points, Rikulau.

    I look forward to where this week of DOONESBURY in Iraq goes. I look forward to President Obama’s withdrawing all troops from Iraq. Of course, I look forward to the trials of G.W. Bush & Dick Cheney, and they are not going to happen.

  9. Bargrove

    Bargrove said, over 6 years ago

    50,000 Dead in Vietnam. 100,000 wounded. Read “The March of Folly” by Barbara Tuchman

    You’ve heard of “Good Night Moon”

    Have you heard of “Good Night Bush?” It is a parody and absolutely wonderful.

  10. algurka

    algurka said, over 6 years ago

    Okay, so we didn’t lose the Vietnam war, we just lost the conflict. I guess we didn’t win in Korea, either, since it was a “Police Action.”

  11. Justice22

    Justice22 said, over 6 years ago

    I supported the fight in Afghanistan, but 9 years is entirely too long to occupy a country without accomplishing your immediate objective. The withdrawal from both places is in order. We will have other wars to fight.

  12. Nemesys

    Nemesys said, over 6 years ago

    It’s interesting that our “loss” in Vietnam resulted in the halt of Red Chinese expansion in the area of the world, along with the formation of new alliances that broke the back of previous Soviet/Chinese shared goals. For those who say their sacrifice in Vietnam was a waste, I strongly disagree, as I would similarly say to those who served in Iraq. If you’ve contributed to a worls where your grandchildren can play in peace and freedom, you’ve accomplished something.

  13. rmbdot

    rmbdot said, over 6 years ago

    Good to see Ray today. Haven’t seen him around the strip for a while.

  14. Nemesys

    Nemesys said, over 6 years ago

    You’re correct, algurka. We didn’t win in Korea. We simply kept the border between the Koreas intact after the Chinese decided they wanted a little more breathing room.

    When North Korean nuclear components start showing up in the hands of terrorists, we may sinecerly regret not winning in Korea.

  15. Justice22

    Justice22 said, over 6 years ago

    Nemesys,,, Those that fought in Korea can be extra proud of their service. They stopped the North Koreans from taking over the entire peninsula, They brought more Koreans out of the tyranny of Communism and helped make one of the best economies in the world. The Chinese had one major goal, to protect their border. Hindsight says that negotiation when the North Korean army was backed into a corner might have ended with a united Korea today. Macarthur was wrong on that one. “The Chinese will not enter into the war.”

    By the way, “War” is wherever men are dying and killing each other in the name of some cause.

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