Pole-Dancer, I think you mentioned the Spirit of the Law vs. the letter of the Law once? If it wasn’t you , it was one of your on-line sympathizers. Now, I believe if you want to get technical you would be right if I was intentionally “bearing false witness”, which is a little different than rhetorical style, parabolic explanations, dramatic effect, running for political office (you don’t mind it when Obama lies), etc. As it happens I thought the percentage was a little better than what fennec’s site posts. I guess I was wrong, But I think it was as high as 80% in the Black Community. If we treat each other like equal human beings by the “Golden Rule”, isn’t that something we can both agree on?
Did she lose the contest because of her opinion of marriage equality? I don’t think so.
Was it a factor. Most certainly.
Was part of it her inability to clearly respond to the question? Most certainly-a spokesperson should be able to be coherent at all times.
Was it a stupid question? Considering the judge who asked it, absolutely not. To say so is to denigrate the issues that are important to the 1.5 million gays and lesbians in California, not to mention the 15 million nationwide.
@NFP - I love your 80% statistic - talk about statistics lying…please give a citation for that #. And if you quote it as being for Prop 22 - a) your numbers are wrong (it passed with 61.4% of the vote) and b) that is a drastically outdated sample and not reflective of society in California today - even using the passage of Prop 8.
@Concerned - THANK YOU! I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels thusly. If one wants one’s church to limit who can marry within it-fantastic. But from a civil right/privilege/contract standpoint - heck yeah - the government should state who is able to enter into a personal contract and then allow those people to determine for themselves who they want to enter into that contract with. Islam allows polygamy, Mormanism did (and depending on who you ask, still does). There are a variety of churches around the world which happily perform marriages between members of the same gender. The state should not be listening to any single or multiple religious opinions in determining the legitimacy of a specific type of marriage - and NEITHER SHOULD THE GENERAL PUBLIC. Legal status should not be determined by church or by majority rule. Life is not American Idol.
curiousity, you are absolutely right…the State shouldn’t have to respond to every minority who finds something wrong with the world and wants government to change it. Yet government should respond to legitimate minority claims - yet the enacting of law requires a simple majority or a super-majority in the democratic process. Hope we can live within the results. I think I explained my “lie”. Do I have to emend my first post as if it was the GOSPEL truth? And 61.4 percent is pretty impressive in California in a year that the Democratics won the White House. I haven’t looked extensively into the subject, but Prop 8’s success was apparently due to a large general dis-like of the concept of state-approved same-sex marriage. This would include a better than that majority in the largely Catholic latino community and amongst the Black Evangelical and Black communities in General.
Thus the importance of the separation of church and state. As a citizen I do not want to have to be governed by the belief system of those who are motivated by those wishing to make the nation “more Christian”.
Puppy, one of the main factors in California was the work of the Mormon church. They infused millions of dollars and brought in thousands of people to go door to door.
KCBS radio news reported that they told Hispanic families that if Prop 8 wasn’t passed, then the husbands/fathers of their families would leave to go join up with other men.
They were quite successful, managing to convince the groups who’ve suffered the most discrimination in the past to forget what it felt like, and go ahead and discriminate against others.
NoFearPup about 15 years ago
Is Miss California representing the 80% of Californians who passed a ban on same sex marriage?
Dtroutma about 15 years ago
Miss Costume Malfunction– yeah, right, six rolls worth?
NoFearPup about 15 years ago
It’s called “counting by the Liberal Method “.
NoFearPup about 15 years ago
No, Libs call it a monumental shift in the American electorate. A mandate the likes that has never been seen…
riley05 about 15 years ago
Puppy, you do know what your bible says happens to all liars, right?
And it’s in the new testament, so you can’t just ignore it like you do the old.
NoFearPup about 15 years ago
Pole-Dancer, I think you mentioned the Spirit of the Law vs. the letter of the Law once? If it wasn’t you , it was one of your on-line sympathizers. Now, I believe if you want to get technical you would be right if I was intentionally “bearing false witness”, which is a little different than rhetorical style, parabolic explanations, dramatic effect, running for political office (you don’t mind it when Obama lies), etc. As it happens I thought the percentage was a little better than what fennec’s site posts. I guess I was wrong, But I think it was as high as 80% in the Black Community. If we treat each other like equal human beings by the “Golden Rule”, isn’t that something we can both agree on?
cdward about 15 years ago
It was a stupid question, but I think she lost the pageant because Kristen Dalton is much hotter.
curiosity1 about 15 years ago
Did she lose the contest because of her opinion of marriage equality? I don’t think so. Was it a factor. Most certainly. Was part of it her inability to clearly respond to the question? Most certainly-a spokesperson should be able to be coherent at all times. Was it a stupid question? Considering the judge who asked it, absolutely not. To say so is to denigrate the issues that are important to the 1.5 million gays and lesbians in California, not to mention the 15 million nationwide. @NFP - I love your 80% statistic - talk about statistics lying…please give a citation for that #. And if you quote it as being for Prop 22 - a) your numbers are wrong (it passed with 61.4% of the vote) and b) that is a drastically outdated sample and not reflective of society in California today - even using the passage of Prop 8. @Concerned - THANK YOU! I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels thusly. If one wants one’s church to limit who can marry within it-fantastic. But from a civil right/privilege/contract standpoint - heck yeah - the government should state who is able to enter into a personal contract and then allow those people to determine for themselves who they want to enter into that contract with. Islam allows polygamy, Mormanism did (and depending on who you ask, still does). There are a variety of churches around the world which happily perform marriages between members of the same gender. The state should not be listening to any single or multiple religious opinions in determining the legitimacy of a specific type of marriage - and NEITHER SHOULD THE GENERAL PUBLIC. Legal status should not be determined by church or by majority rule. Life is not American Idol.
NoFearPup about 15 years ago
curiousity, you are absolutely right…the State shouldn’t have to respond to every minority who finds something wrong with the world and wants government to change it. Yet government should respond to legitimate minority claims - yet the enacting of law requires a simple majority or a super-majority in the democratic process. Hope we can live within the results. I think I explained my “lie”. Do I have to emend my first post as if it was the GOSPEL truth? And 61.4 percent is pretty impressive in California in a year that the Democratics won the White House. I haven’t looked extensively into the subject, but Prop 8’s success was apparently due to a large general dis-like of the concept of state-approved same-sex marriage. This would include a better than that majority in the largely Catholic latino community and amongst the Black Evangelical and Black communities in General.
deadheadzan about 15 years ago
Thus the importance of the separation of church and state. As a citizen I do not want to have to be governed by the belief system of those who are motivated by those wishing to make the nation “more Christian”.
riley05 about 15 years ago
Puppy, one of the main factors in California was the work of the Mormon church. They infused millions of dollars and brought in thousands of people to go door to door.
KCBS radio news reported that they told Hispanic families that if Prop 8 wasn’t passed, then the husbands/fathers of their families would leave to go join up with other men.
They were quite successful, managing to convince the groups who’ve suffered the most discrimination in the past to forget what it felt like, and go ahead and discriminate against others.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member about 15 years ago
Back to the toon;
A little girl-on-girl action is always a top seller.
Considering that, one can wonder why our society still finds same sex love obscene.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member almost 15 years ago
^ Publicity stunt, probably.