What is it? 34 states have the death penalty? That’s outrageous!! I mean, hick, backwater states like Texas and Georgia…..it makes SENSE that THEY have it. Just as sick, but at least fitting with their values and attitudes. And governors who seek the Presidency.
Thank you, Eddie, for reminding us all how Republicans care so much for everyone right up until the moment they’re born… at which point they cease caring altogether.
I understand that a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds but question the inconsistency of so many.
I can see where one is pro-life and anti death penalty or one is pro-choice and pro death penalty but question both extremes. How can one be pro-choice and anti death penalty? It makes no sense. Similarly how can one be pro-life and pro death penalty? It too makes no sense.
wow, Eddie, “head has to be crushed to get it out of the womb”. 1. that implies all “natural childbirth” mandates the heads must be crushed! 2. Considering the majority of "abortions’ remove less tissue than is in your thumb, your “horror image” of late-term that most people who FAVOR abortion, still do not favor, unless REAL life is at risk, like the mother’s, or cases like anencephaly, where no real “life” will be preserved.
One issue at a time, folks. Can we agree that state-killing is wrong, that it is more expensive than life imprisonment, and that it now fits the definition of an unusual punishment, considering what a special case it is amid the penal system?Let us come to a consensus on state-killing, and then we can discuss abortion.
No Brian, we certainly canot come to that conclusion. America cheered with the deaths of Saddam and Osama.
There are bad people out there and now that the NYT opposes life imprisonment without parole for many situations we are going to release into society proven convicted killers.
If you pass a law that says you must by definition spend $5million to send a killer for execution you forfeit the right to, say see how expensive it is. Crime, trial, conviction, appeal, carry out sentence all in 6 months. Much much, much less expensive than prison custodial care.
In the US hundreds of convicted killers are executed. Maybe unusual in NY but not in Texas. Cruel? What did these lowlifes do to their victims?
And a major error in not executing the legally convicted killers is hundreds if not thousands of totally pure innocents have been murdered, raped, assaulted by convicted killers released back into society. Every week when you read of a released convicted killer let back into society and killing again. Even the NYT published an another example last week, Those victims are truly innocent.
“Church has a long history of orphanages, leprosariums, and people like Mother Theresa who have cared for the poor, the sick, and the elderly while Socialists were busy destroying countries.”The Church has a long history, both good and bad. Along with the orphanages and Mother Theresas, you have corruption and cover-ups, abuse of power, stifling science and reason. Let’s not forget all the money that was spent on art, cathedrals, palaces and luxurious lifestyles of the upper echelons of clergy members.while parishioners starve and continue to do so. The current Pope was in charge of covering up a massive world wide sex abuse scandal.You’ve picked your poison, we’ve picked ours.
An Iraqi court sentenced Ronald Reagan’s friend, Saddam Hussein, to death and killed him with horrific dispatch. Bush-Dick’s friend, Osama bin Laden, was killed in a military action in an attempt to apprehend him. America speaks with one voice only if you restrict your gaze severely. In any case, neither the death of Reagan’s friend nor that of Bush-Dick’s relates to the topic under discussion: killing those who are imprisoned.Further, in reference to cheering and to a consensus: I merely seek a consensus amongst the dozen or so opiners at this forum. It is impossible—and pointless—to get consensus amongst 300 million Americans, some of whom cheered lynchings and some of whom cheered the assassination of John Kennedy. Cheering, however, isn’t part of the point. We don’t kill the entrapped & powerless simply to please the mob (or do we?).Let us dispense with the puerility of “bad people out there”, considering that we are speaking of our justice system, not each individual’s degree of “goodness” or “badness”. If we killed “the bad people”, then for whom would you have left to vote?The New York Times has not recommended returning “killers” to society, so please stop the hysteria.The law that makes state-killing so expensive is the Constitution. I don’t want to overturn it, and I am sorry that you do.The death penalty is unusual in these respects: It is absolute & irrevocable. It necessitates a level of certainty beyond that of any other criminal conviction.State killing is pointless, expensive, & obviously cruel & unusual. It has been removed from our legal system in the past, and it will be removed in the future. You can continue with your impotent cries for vengeance, but these human sacrifices are coming, slowly, to an end.
@IrishEddieOhara I agree with you completely, keep fighting the good fight and don’t let anybody sway your opinion. Death is death no matter where it takes place and all death should make us greave.
If what you say is true, why can a person be charged with murder if an unborn child is killed while still in the mother? That is if she happens to want that baby.
You know, once in a while I used to read that great big book, the Bible. The only place I could find anything about this was in Genesis…‘God breathed the breath of life in him, and man became a living soul…’
So…first breath of life.
Now…if you want to take the union of male and female essences…for THAT, you go to early Hindu and other ‘pagan’ writings…Yup. You so-called Christians have been fooled for years by liars who stuped you-all into supporting anti-Christian pagan ideas. Whee: how does it feel to be devil-duped, dummies?Go cry all the way to your T Party meetings, because I know you won’t tackle the devil’s own instrument, your beloved pastors. Devils…really clever. Score, many souls.You-all? really dumbos. Score? Zero.
You might want to read your Bible once in a while.
Noveltman over 12 years ago
What is it? 34 states have the death penalty? That’s outrageous!! I mean, hick, backwater states like Texas and Georgia…..it makes SENSE that THEY have it. Just as sick, but at least fitting with their values and attitudes. And governors who seek the Presidency.
Dtroutma over 12 years ago
^Again, you DO mean the roughly 50% of all fertilized ova, embryo, that do not implant in a uterus, right?
Noveltman over 12 years ago
Thank you, Eddie, for reminding us all how Republicans care so much for everyone right up until the moment they’re born… at which point they cease caring altogether.
Libertarian1 over 12 years ago
The NYT just published an editorial opposing life in prison for many crimes. So from the left, no death penalty and no life in prison.
Libertarian1 over 12 years ago
I understand that a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds but question the inconsistency of so many.
I can see where one is pro-life and anti death penalty or one is pro-choice and pro death penalty but question both extremes. How can one be pro-choice and anti death penalty? It makes no sense. Similarly how can one be pro-life and pro death penalty? It too makes no sense.
Libertarian1 over 12 years ago
@Bruce Classic rationalization. The other extreme argues just as logically. (illogically)
Dtroutma over 12 years ago
wow, Eddie, “head has to be crushed to get it out of the womb”. 1. that implies all “natural childbirth” mandates the heads must be crushed! 2. Considering the majority of "abortions’ remove less tissue than is in your thumb, your “horror image” of late-term that most people who FAVOR abortion, still do not favor, unless REAL life is at risk, like the mother’s, or cases like anencephaly, where no real “life” will be preserved.
BrianCrook over 12 years ago
One issue at a time, folks. Can we agree that state-killing is wrong, that it is more expensive than life imprisonment, and that it now fits the definition of an unusual punishment, considering what a special case it is amid the penal system?Let us come to a consensus on state-killing, and then we can discuss abortion.
Libertarian1 over 12 years ago
No Brian, we certainly canot come to that conclusion. America cheered with the deaths of Saddam and Osama.
There are bad people out there and now that the NYT opposes life imprisonment without parole for many situations we are going to release into society proven convicted killers.If you pass a law that says you must by definition spend $5million to send a killer for execution you forfeit the right to, say see how expensive it is. Crime, trial, conviction, appeal, carry out sentence all in 6 months. Much much, much less expensive than prison custodial care.
In the US hundreds of convicted killers are executed. Maybe unusual in NY but not in Texas. Cruel? What did these lowlifes do to their victims?
And a major error in not executing the legally convicted killers is hundreds if not thousands of totally pure innocents have been murdered, raped, assaulted by convicted killers released back into society. Every week when you read of a released convicted killer let back into society and killing again. Even the NYT published an another example last week, Those victims are truly innocent.
Jason Allen over 12 years ago
“Church has a long history of orphanages, leprosariums, and people like Mother Theresa who have cared for the poor, the sick, and the elderly while Socialists were busy destroying countries.”The Church has a long history, both good and bad. Along with the orphanages and Mother Theresas, you have corruption and cover-ups, abuse of power, stifling science and reason. Let’s not forget all the money that was spent on art, cathedrals, palaces and luxurious lifestyles of the upper echelons of clergy members.while parishioners starve and continue to do so. The current Pope was in charge of covering up a massive world wide sex abuse scandal.You’ve picked your poison, we’ve picked ours.
BrianCrook over 12 years ago
An Iraqi court sentenced Ronald Reagan’s friend, Saddam Hussein, to death and killed him with horrific dispatch. Bush-Dick’s friend, Osama bin Laden, was killed in a military action in an attempt to apprehend him. America speaks with one voice only if you restrict your gaze severely. In any case, neither the death of Reagan’s friend nor that of Bush-Dick’s relates to the topic under discussion: killing those who are imprisoned.Further, in reference to cheering and to a consensus: I merely seek a consensus amongst the dozen or so opiners at this forum. It is impossible—and pointless—to get consensus amongst 300 million Americans, some of whom cheered lynchings and some of whom cheered the assassination of John Kennedy. Cheering, however, isn’t part of the point. We don’t kill the entrapped & powerless simply to please the mob (or do we?).Let us dispense with the puerility of “bad people out there”, considering that we are speaking of our justice system, not each individual’s degree of “goodness” or “badness”. If we killed “the bad people”, then for whom would you have left to vote?The New York Times has not recommended returning “killers” to society, so please stop the hysteria.The law that makes state-killing so expensive is the Constitution. I don’t want to overturn it, and I am sorry that you do.The death penalty is unusual in these respects: It is absolute & irrevocable. It necessitates a level of certainty beyond that of any other criminal conviction.State killing is pointless, expensive, & obviously cruel & unusual. It has been removed from our legal system in the past, and it will be removed in the future. You can continue with your impotent cries for vengeance, but these human sacrifices are coming, slowly, to an end.
Daringdan over 12 years ago
@IrishEddieOhara I agree with you completely, keep fighting the good fight and don’t let anybody sway your opinion. Death is death no matter where it takes place and all death should make us greave.
lfcathy over 12 years ago
If what you say is true, why can a person be charged with murder if an unborn child is killed while still in the mother? That is if she happens to want that baby.
doofus55 over 12 years ago
Awww, the Tea Baggers will be up in arms over this ’toon!!!
tigre1 over 12 years ago
You know, once in a while I used to read that great big book, the Bible. The only place I could find anything about this was in Genesis…‘God breathed the breath of life in him, and man became a living soul…’
So…first breath of life.
Now…if you want to take the union of male and female essences…for THAT, you go to early Hindu and other ‘pagan’ writings…Yup. You so-called Christians have been fooled for years by liars who stuped you-all into supporting anti-Christian pagan ideas. Whee: how does it feel to be devil-duped, dummies?Go cry all the way to your T Party meetings, because I know you won’t tackle the devil’s own instrument, your beloved pastors. Devils…really clever. Score, many souls.You-all? really dumbos. Score? Zero.
You might want to read your Bible once in a while.