mtt, first small digs at fault won’t get us any where. A solution, that’s just the point until there is a bottom and some transparency to this mess an assessment can’t be made. So stop your “whining”, your man’s words, and suggest a solution. My small opinion is stop Mr Paulson from helping out his buddies and hit the housing market at the ground level.
I would say, first off, do NOT raise taxes. I feel that, just like any other business in the USA, let them dig themselves out if they go under due to bad ideas and greed let them. Someone else WILL come through and buy up the loans and realize what the others did wrong and not repeat. But by all means the government must stay out of it. It could take a while and make people struggle (not as much as higher taxes would), but them are the people that got a loan for there home that:
A. They could not afford anyway.
B. Got a loan on their home at 125% market value, which everyone has got to know is BAD.
C. Relates to A. NOT use Government money (food stamps or just welfare in general) as as source of income.
If someone did any of the above, I am very sorry for their loss, but it should have never happened in the first place. Act grown up and be responsible for your actions.
MTT I take it you didn’t listen to the show. The reason that your approach won’t work is the credit freeze. If no companies large or small can borrow money then they all sink.
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=365
Click on “Full Episode” below the picture, you’ll have to listen to it in their pop-up player.
lalas I tried to listen, but could not find a place to do so, it seems liked it was a pay site and it is hard to listen to anything here. If it works i will give it a try though.
MTT’s teeny tiny brain can’t figure it out. I didn’t have any trouble. He has used that excuse before. I don’t think he really tried to listen. Just likes to spout party-line blather.
I have not tried yet today. You know I like you insult me like this, it shows your true character and your extreme TRUE ignorance. You are an ignorant little turd.
HUMPHRIES I am just sick of him ripping on me. He has never said a nice thing about me, I can get along with anyone. Until they insult me. He does it in every single post. Do I fit Prig? Maybe a little, but I tried to listen to the link lalas sent last time and I could not find the link to listen to the info. I have not tried this time, yet. I plan on listening and I will keep an open mind, just the only thing I feel about this, no matter what the government must stay out of these matters.
lalas I am listening to it, sounds pretty credible, but I have heard from Chuck and Larry Bates there was no market freeze up. So who is telling the truth and why? I think it relates to, who do you believe. I don’t know what to believe about that. I just feel the Government still should not get involved on the level they did.
Well, judging from the titles of the Chuck & Larry shows I found here:
http://www.soundwaves2000.com/unwo/ they sound like pretty strong ideologues to me. I’ve not felt things to be that ideologically one-sided on TAL.
Can you tell me which show has them denying the credit market freeze and I’ll get back to you. That is the first I’ve heard of people denying the freeze in the credit market.
Seems to me you could trust the guy from Orkin that they talk to in the TAL show about his inability to get credit. Glad you finally got the show, sorry you caught so much grief trying to get to it.
I will have to get back to you on them saying the market was not frozen. Thank you for the info, it does give me more to think about. I just still don’t agree with the government stepping in and with 700 billion to give away.
I don’t directly listen to Chuck and Larry, by boss does and I over hear alot of what they say. I think it uses Real Player to listen. I think the one about the market freezing must have been about a week or so after it happened. I can not do any better then this, I am sorry. I do know they are Christians and they feel being gay is a sin. I feel the same way. But I do think they go extreme at times in how they feel about it, at times they seem to leave out the detail of love the sinner, hate the sin.
Um lego we’re not fighting we’re carrying on a conversation.
MTT – I only comment on that because it makes me question their objectivity and the overall purpose of their show. I haven’t heard anyone else question the fact that the credit market has ground to a trickle.
I really appreciate the fact that you listened to show as promised.
On the gay thing though I don’t think they need to apologize for the way they were born. The gays/lesbians I knew in school were clearly gay when I met them in 2nd grade.
I came out of the womb hetero and if I had sex w/ a man THAT would be a choice. Same-sex attraction isn’t really a choice for gays/lesbians. The “being gay is a choice” thing is just plain wrong.
I do respect your opinion, I just do not agree. I just can not see why or how God could or would make someone a sin out of the womb. It, in my opinion is an unnatural act. As well, I have heard stories of several gay men/women that have realized the sin and went straight and are very happy they did. This all I will say about this subject, cause it is WAY off of anything here.
God made alot of things that are pretty hard to figure out for us mere mortals: why would God permit serious birth defects? I’m not equating being gay with a defect just saying that there are many things that we just don’t understand and the “Christian” thing to do is accept the things we cannot change.
Humphries : The solution doesn’t look good. You tickle the Dragon’s belly and steal his gold while He’s not looking. Which the Chinese are in the process of doing right now…
lalas
I have to say something, I was misunderstanding what I heard on Chuck and Larry, I talked to my boss about what was said, and he said that a normally person can still get a loan (based on your credit score like always). But the big companies could not. He made this sound more like a good thing? I heard them say that you could still get a loan, thinking by the way I hear it was that there was no freeze as the other guy talked about. I will admit I was mistaken. A simple and unfortunate misunderstanding. Very sorry about that.
No sweat, mishearing and misunderstanding are not a problem, that’s why civility is important nowadays.
It is NOT a good thing for the credit market to freeze up like it has. A company could go into bankruptcy because they can’t make it from Tuesday to payday Friday.
HUMPHRIES over 15 years ago
Good address of a problem, and the solution is … !?
Joe Snedaker over 15 years ago
Why not tell us a solution HUMPHRIES
I suppose raise taxes and put the government to work on cradling us in their greedy arms. This seems to be what all the democrats want to do.
HUMPHRIES over 15 years ago
mtt, first small digs at fault won’t get us any where. A solution, that’s just the point until there is a bottom and some transparency to this mess an assessment can’t be made. So stop your “whining”, your man’s words, and suggest a solution. My small opinion is stop Mr Paulson from helping out his buddies and hit the housing market at the ground level.
Joe Snedaker over 15 years ago
I would say, first off, do NOT raise taxes. I feel that, just like any other business in the USA, let them dig themselves out if they go under due to bad ideas and greed let them. Someone else WILL come through and buy up the loans and realize what the others did wrong and not repeat. But by all means the government must stay out of it. It could take a while and make people struggle (not as much as higher taxes would), but them are the people that got a loan for there home that: A. They could not afford anyway. B. Got a loan on their home at 125% market value, which everyone has got to know is BAD. C. Relates to A. NOT use Government money (food stamps or just welfare in general) as as source of income.
If someone did any of the above, I am very sorry for their loss, but it should have never happened in the first place. Act grown up and be responsible for your actions.
lalas over 15 years ago
MTT I take it you didn’t listen to the show. The reason that your approach won’t work is the credit freeze. If no companies large or small can borrow money then they all sink. http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=365 Click on “Full Episode” below the picture, you’ll have to listen to it in their pop-up player.
Joe Snedaker over 15 years ago
lalas I tried to listen, but could not find a place to do so, it seems liked it was a pay site and it is hard to listen to anything here. If it works i will give it a try though.
Trogon2 over 15 years ago
MTT’s teeny tiny brain can’t figure it out. I didn’t have any trouble. He has used that excuse before. I don’t think he really tried to listen. Just likes to spout party-line blather.
Joe Snedaker over 15 years ago
Trogon2
I have not tried yet today. You know I like you insult me like this, it shows your true character and your extreme TRUE ignorance. You are an ignorant little turd.
I will give it a try in a bit.
HUMPHRIES over 15 years ago
mtt, while you’re doing your research look up “Prig”.
Joe Snedaker over 15 years ago
HUMPHRIES I am just sick of him ripping on me. He has never said a nice thing about me, I can get along with anyone. Until they insult me. He does it in every single post. Do I fit Prig? Maybe a little, but I tried to listen to the link lalas sent last time and I could not find the link to listen to the info. I have not tried this time, yet. I plan on listening and I will keep an open mind, just the only thing I feel about this, no matter what the government must stay out of these matters.
Joe Snedaker over 15 years ago
lalas I am listening to it, sounds pretty credible, but I have heard from Chuck and Larry Bates there was no market freeze up. So who is telling the truth and why? I think it relates to, who do you believe. I don’t know what to believe about that. I just feel the Government still should not get involved on the level they did.
lalas over 15 years ago
Well, judging from the titles of the Chuck & Larry shows I found here: http://www.soundwaves2000.com/unwo/ they sound like pretty strong ideologues to me. I’ve not felt things to be that ideologically one-sided on TAL.
Can you tell me which show has them denying the credit market freeze and I’ll get back to you. That is the first I’ve heard of people denying the freeze in the credit market.
Seems to me you could trust the guy from Orkin that they talk to in the TAL show about his inability to get credit. Glad you finally got the show, sorry you caught so much grief trying to get to it.
Joe Snedaker over 15 years ago
I will have to get back to you on them saying the market was not frozen. Thank you for the info, it does give me more to think about. I just still don’t agree with the government stepping in and with 700 billion to give away.
lalas over 15 years ago
But seriously though… what do 2 economists have to do with gay bashing? Some of those titles were pretty extreme.
I couldn’t download any of them btw… not sure if it’s a work thing or what.
Joe Snedaker over 15 years ago
I don’t directly listen to Chuck and Larry, by boss does and I over hear alot of what they say. I think it uses Real Player to listen. I think the one about the market freezing must have been about a week or so after it happened. I can not do any better then this, I am sorry. I do know they are Christians and they feel being gay is a sin. I feel the same way. But I do think they go extreme at times in how they feel about it, at times they seem to leave out the detail of love the sinner, hate the sin.
lalas over 15 years ago
Um lego we’re not fighting we’re carrying on a conversation.
MTT – I only comment on that because it makes me question their objectivity and the overall purpose of their show. I haven’t heard anyone else question the fact that the credit market has ground to a trickle.
I really appreciate the fact that you listened to show as promised.
On the gay thing though I don’t think they need to apologize for the way they were born. The gays/lesbians I knew in school were clearly gay when I met them in 2nd grade.
I came out of the womb hetero and if I had sex w/ a man THAT would be a choice. Same-sex attraction isn’t really a choice for gays/lesbians. The “being gay is a choice” thing is just plain wrong.
Joe Snedaker over 15 years ago
I do respect your opinion, I just do not agree. I just can not see why or how God could or would make someone a sin out of the womb. It, in my opinion is an unnatural act. As well, I have heard stories of several gay men/women that have realized the sin and went straight and are very happy they did. This all I will say about this subject, cause it is WAY off of anything here.
David Riedel Premium Member over 15 years ago
God made alot of things that are pretty hard to figure out for us mere mortals: why would God permit serious birth defects? I’m not equating being gay with a defect just saying that there are many things that we just don’t understand and the “Christian” thing to do is accept the things we cannot change.
NoFearPup over 15 years ago
Humphries : The solution doesn’t look good. You tickle the Dragon’s belly and steal his gold while He’s not looking. Which the Chinese are in the process of doing right now…
HUMPHRIES over 15 years ago
NoFear… You’ve read the Hobbit once too often. Seems The whole world has been chasing smoke doesn’t it.
Joe Snedaker over 15 years ago
lalas I have to say something, I was misunderstanding what I heard on Chuck and Larry, I talked to my boss about what was said, and he said that a normally person can still get a loan (based on your credit score like always). But the big companies could not. He made this sound more like a good thing? I heard them say that you could still get a loan, thinking by the way I hear it was that there was no freeze as the other guy talked about. I will admit I was mistaken. A simple and unfortunate misunderstanding. Very sorry about that.
lalas over 15 years ago
No sweat, mishearing and misunderstanding are not a problem, that’s why civility is important nowadays.
It is NOT a good thing for the credit market to freeze up like it has. A company could go into bankruptcy because they can’t make it from Tuesday to payday Friday.