We had a bruiser in my LDS mission, Elder Bona. If you didn’t respond to polite discussion, we called in Elder Bona with his “truncheon of reason”. Okay, so no we didn’t do that, but he was a rather large lad, even larger by comparison in Guatemala, where everyone is about 4” shorter.
There’s an old canard about the Rule of Benedict that talks about “if the guest will not leave, let two stout monks explain the matter to him”, but it’s not really in the rule. Any religious rule. While we do, on occasion, stray from the spirit of the Gospel (Abbot Pons of Cluny comes to mind; he invaded the Abbey with an army to try to get reinstated as Abbot), we tend to be rather gentler for the most part.
I can’t say I’ve ever tried DocT’s coffee.
As for EMET’s christian, I don’t know why he, or anyone, would imagine someone dedicated to following the Gospel with their whole life would burn in he||. We do not believe that our vows or lifestyle will save us; it’s just our response to the overwhelming gift and call of God’s grace.
Oops, the discussion is getting serious again. EMET BeeBeard, LOL stands for Laugh Out Loud (I had to ask recently, too) – something we all need to do more of
@EMET, I did have a funeral where the guy died of a drug overdose, and the family chose one reading from Wisdom 4, including verse 7: “The just man, though he die early, shall be at rest.” Had to say that the fellow did not die early because he was just, but because he was flawed, weak–like us all. Only our sins don’t catch up with us quite so quickly. I didn’t exactly say “This guy’s in purgatory”, but that’s the hope. After all, if you make it to purgatory, heaven will come in due time.
There was a comic a while ago (I think Zack Hill) where the mom was just learning to text. She thought LOL meant “lots of love” and she wound up using it when her friend told her some bad news..
The last time I heard the phrase “nuclear option,” it was used by Republicans to describe what they would do if the Democrats dared to filibuster any of their Supreme Court nominees. Of course, now that the nominating sock is on the other foot, they sing a very different tune…
Not the pope, just an average joe of a monk. Catholic doctrine tends not to say too much about the afterlife specifics, but the New Testament would probably indicate flames. I’ll look if I have time.
We discovered (about 500-600 years back) the dangers of buying out of punishment, and changed our views. And it was never the only, or best way. (I believe it was first promoted in the Renaissance to fund the restoration of St. Peter’s on the Vatican Hill.)
I believe that’s usually how the Spirit works for us: we can and do go astray, but not for too long before we get yanked back to reality and have to try again…. And that’s the advantage of tradition: we are apt to remember and reflect on what went before and avoid at least a few pitfalls.
One example comes to mind: at Columbine, the one girl (at least) was asked if she believed in Jesus; when she replied yes, she was shot and killed. Her church immediately acclaimed her as a martyr and holds her memory in high regard. Interesting point is that the church seems to be Evangelical of some stripe, and likely mocks the Catholics for our veneration of Saints. Yet they are doing the very thing that led us to develop the whole tradition, and safeguards (Canonization, to weed out the bogus/less edifying saints, limits on how to venerate saints vs. worship God, and so on). Only difference: we are about 1800 years further developed in our tradition…
As for the Rapture, we don’t worry about those specifics, as I said earlier. We do have an immediate, personal judgment by Christ, and a general judgment on the Last Day, but it isn’t even entirely clear what the difference is, or if there is a difference.
Dutchboy1 almost 15 years ago
That is exactly the reason that so many people have a problem with religion.
Digital Frog almost 15 years ago
That’s one deep friar!
Edcole1961 almost 15 years ago
He reminds me of an ex short-order cook, who went out of the frying pan and into the friars.
The Duke 1 almost 15 years ago
Looks like bmonk on docT’s nuclear coffee to me!
Bender_Sastre almost 15 years ago
We had a bruiser in my LDS mission, Elder Bona. If you didn’t respond to polite discussion, we called in Elder Bona with his “truncheon of reason”. Okay, so no we didn’t do that, but he was a rather large lad, even larger by comparison in Guatemala, where everyone is about 4” shorter.
lazygrazer almost 15 years ago
See?—the evolutionists had it wrong all along….it was a key monk, not a monkey.
Superfrog almost 15 years ago
Nothing wrong with a little gentle persuasion…
Akenta almost 15 years ago
JFri exactly what I was thinking.
Leonardeuler almost 15 years ago
Splendid comment, Grazer !!!!! Couldn’t stop laughing……
twright64 almost 15 years ago
Dutchboy: How does that illustrate anybody’s problem with religion?
Does anybody else find the new mouseover vignettes annoying? Sure wish the webmaster would lose them!
n2theabyss almost 15 years ago
are they going for a visit with mr ILL¿
MurphyHerself almost 15 years ago
Contact uclick and complain about those popups–click on the Contact Us link below. If they got a thousand complaints, they might take them off.
carmy almost 15 years ago
LOL, JFri!
Wildmustang1262 almost 15 years ago
Just like a GIANT MONK!
JFri said, about 7 hours ago
Looks like bmonk on docT’s nuclear coffee to me!
JFri, you nailed it! LOLs!
nomad2112 almost 15 years ago
Brother Nuclear Option - the Mother of all Monks?
bmonk almost 15 years ago
Dare I poke my nose in here?
There’s an old canard about the Rule of Benedict that talks about “if the guest will not leave, let two stout monks explain the matter to him”, but it’s not really in the rule. Any religious rule. While we do, on occasion, stray from the spirit of the Gospel (Abbot Pons of Cluny comes to mind; he invaded the Abbey with an army to try to get reinstated as Abbot), we tend to be rather gentler for the most part.
I can’t say I’ve ever tried DocT’s coffee.
As for EMET’s christian, I don’t know why he, or anyone, would imagine someone dedicated to following the Gospel with their whole life would burn in he||. We do not believe that our vows or lifestyle will save us; it’s just our response to the overwhelming gift and call of God’s grace.
damarpi almost 15 years ago
Oops, the discussion is getting serious again. EMET BeeBeard, LOL stands for Laugh Out Loud (I had to ask recently, too) – something we all need to do more of
wndrwrthg almost 15 years ago
The big guy must be Hordle John.
TapiocaHead almost 15 years ago
Illuminati
bmonk almost 15 years ago
@EMET, I did have a funeral where the guy died of a drug overdose, and the family chose one reading from Wisdom 4, including verse 7: “The just man, though he die early, shall be at rest.” Had to say that the fellow did not die early because he was just, but because he was flawed, weak–like us all. Only our sins don’t catch up with us quite so quickly. I didn’t exactly say “This guy’s in purgatory”, but that’s the hope. After all, if you make it to purgatory, heaven will come in due time.
Akenta almost 15 years ago
There was a comic a while ago (I think Zack Hill) where the mom was just learning to text. She thought LOL meant “lots of love” and she wound up using it when her friend told her some bad news..
alife almost 15 years ago
LOL ;D Life of Leo http://leoville.com/ or Life of Liz http://home.pacbell.net/ankhlife/home.html
aardvarkseyes almost 15 years ago
Sorry to inject politics but…
The last time I heard the phrase “nuclear option,” it was used by Republicans to describe what they would do if the Democrats dared to filibuster any of their Supreme Court nominees. Of course, now that the nominating sock is on the other foot, they sing a very different tune…
I’m just sayin’.
bmonk almost 15 years ago
Not the pope, just an average joe of a monk. Catholic doctrine tends not to say too much about the afterlife specifics, but the New Testament would probably indicate flames. I’ll look if I have time.
We discovered (about 500-600 years back) the dangers of buying out of punishment, and changed our views. And it was never the only, or best way. (I believe it was first promoted in the Renaissance to fund the restoration of St. Peter’s on the Vatican Hill.)
I believe that’s usually how the Spirit works for us: we can and do go astray, but not for too long before we get yanked back to reality and have to try again…. And that’s the advantage of tradition: we are apt to remember and reflect on what went before and avoid at least a few pitfalls.
One example comes to mind: at Columbine, the one girl (at least) was asked if she believed in Jesus; when she replied yes, she was shot and killed. Her church immediately acclaimed her as a martyr and holds her memory in high regard. Interesting point is that the church seems to be Evangelical of some stripe, and likely mocks the Catholics for our veneration of Saints. Yet they are doing the very thing that led us to develop the whole tradition, and safeguards (Canonization, to weed out the bogus/less edifying saints, limits on how to venerate saints vs. worship God, and so on). Only difference: we are about 1800 years further developed in our tradition…
As for the Rapture, we don’t worry about those specifics, as I said earlier. We do have an immediate, personal judgment by Christ, and a general judgment on the Last Day, but it isn’t even entirely clear what the difference is, or if there is a difference.
bmonk almost 15 years ago
Another idea: If the discussion goes on longer than a week, we might just have to continue on another day (or two) old comic…
lindz.coop Premium Member almost 15 years ago
I think it kinda resembles the sheeny man
aboose almost 15 years ago
they look like the retarded monks from Monty Python and the Holy Grail (the ones that kept smacking their heads with the boards)
Me_Again over 13 years ago
@KAWINKIDINK: YES THEY DO!!! -giggle-
Claymore_5by5 almost 13 years ago
So, what you’re saying is that if they won’t accept your beliefs, force them to accept it for their own good?…..
Like liberalism. OK, that makes sense.