Scott Stantis for November 03, 2009

Nobody likes that, but sometimes it has to be done (tubal pregnancy, for example…)

Sad.

Two new cartoons backtoback, the other one is better so take time to go look at it.

This one, well it is a woman’s body, and – up to a point – they have every right to an abortion if they want it. If it were men who got pregante it would have been one of the first things written into the Constitution.

Those of you who oppose abortion because of your religious beliefs, take a good look at the word BELIEF. It is something you believe, it is not a fact, or even a truth, it is a belief!

It is based on something you have been told, taken from a book that was written by hundreds of people over thousands of years. A book in which God tells his followers to tear open the stomachs of the pregnate women of his enemies and tear out their unborn child!

It is also a book that tells you to kill those who don’t obey the Sabbath, which would play hell with Walmart workers and patrons.

And at the same time libs are against the death penalty for muslim terrorists, rapists, murderers and child molesters. But kill the innocent, no problem for them.

Well if you read my post you may see that it could be that we are just doing what the Bible tells us to do.

Ken, The bible says almost every law accepted in every constitution in every country worldwide. No murder. No stealing. etc, etc. A woman always has the choice of what to do with her own body. She can choose to cross her legs, or spread them. Once she has conceived a child, it is no longer HER body. We are talking about murdering the body within hers, and THAT body is another person.

By the way, I don’t really believe that you have read ANY of the bible. Maybe a few quotations of the old testament were misread to you. Jesus Christ brought us the new covanent between God and man, a much more forgiving covanent. Maybe a bit of the teachings of Jesus would educate you on the real picture of modern Christianity. It seems that you are behind us by 2000+ years.

charlie, that simply isn’t true. You cannot abort through all nine months “for any reason.” The first two trimesters are the only ones with options; most states are making it extremely hard for even legal abortions to take place. And in New York – yes, New York City – I know a woman who was forced to keep two profoundly damaged babies because even though they were four-month preemies, they were delivered something like two days after the line, and the doctor was forbidden by law from telling her.

Ken’s right, the previous one is much better.

Depends which part of the Bible you want to use. Reading the Bible is not easy, I have read it four times – admittedly once was for a college course called “The Bible As Literature” – and can say it hard to read and even harder to understand.

There are several types of God in Old Testament, because it was written over many many years, and the writters varied God to fit what they believed at the time. Sometimes God is mercyful, sometimes he is vengeful, but always he is on the side of his “chosen people” and against rest of world.

So it easy for the wrong people to use the Old Testament to preach hate.

Ken, I have to agree that much of the old testament was harsh. The first five books of the laws are so redundant and hard to read, but in many ways important. We cannot overrule what is stated as wrongs, but we must accept that the new covanent supercedes the punishments for these wrongs. Is that what you were saying?

motive - many incomplete thoughts. Focus, and tell us what your point is.

Don’t use the Bible to spread hate or use it to support hate.

True faith is having enough faith in your beliefs to allow others to have faith in theirs.

You know, besides the religious views, there is a medical side to this argument. Abortion rarely benefits a woman. It increases her chances for cervical and breast cancer. It decreases her fertility rate for a wanted pregnancy at a later date. It has the same emotional side-effects as rape. But, hay, it’s all good as long as the men have don’t have to be responsible for child support and the women don’t have to lose their sexy figures. Who needs responsibility.

so if you have a tenant you don’t like you should kill him……..you Wrighties are sounding right

charlie555 It may have been a slip of tongue, but I noticed you end with the statement: :The basic human right of every man!” So woman have no rights? Or is it that they are just too unimportant to mention?

My first thought was “star child”, and the realization that the vision of Clark for human intellect is not realized.

When there is no such thing in the U.S. as a child in an orphanage, or foster care, I will believe the argument (myth) that throngs are waiting out there to adopt all “unwanted” children.

When childbirth results in ZERO maternal deaths, and all births are “natural” with zero C-sections, and there are no lethal genetic defects, or damage from drug taking during pregnancy, the phony “medical argument” against abortion might be acceptable.

When there is no poverty in the world leading to famine, or abuse of children, or negative effects from overpopulation, the “moral stance” that EVERY fertilized egg is, or must become a human, might win an impossible argument.

I also agree with Ken. Isn’t it amazing how “men” make the biggest fuss, and rarely address “Man” to include “women” in the decision process, or even status as human, let alone legitimately endowed with free will?

Roger – “Liberals weep for all the poor terrorists, murderers, rapist and child molesters, making all kinds of excuses for them.”

No we don’t.

Anyone rightfully convicted of any of those crimes deserves to be punished. The problem is when they are WRONGFULLY convicted.

Stop conflating the two. Guantanamo has a number of wrongfully imprisoned people… those are the only ones we quibble over.

Get a grip.

Does the actual bill (in its current form) fund abortions anyway?

charlie, I still question your assertion that you can legally abort a fetus with no requirements at 9 months. And I have no idea what state you are living in, but even Massachusetts has no such law. Roe v. Wade only established it in the first two trimesters. As for my friend, she desperately wanted children and was trying to have them. I didn’t state this properly, and left out the most important part: had it not been for advanced medicine, she probably would have miscarried naturally – and in accordance with Nature or God, as you like – instead, the doctors worked hard to save the lives of babies who would have died under normal circumstances. The doctors knew d@mned well she would deliver two children who were essentially brain-dead, and didn’t tell her, because they were forbidden to. She was NOT given a choice to miscarry naturally. She was forced to give birth to these children – whom she kept – who will never be anything like human beings mentally. I promise you there isn’t a long line of people waiting to adopt children like this. As a side note, my late cousin had Downs Syndrome and was one of the first in the country to be “mainstreamed” and kept at home by his family instead of sent off to an institution. I’m fully in favor of that. I’d like to think that my wife and I would have done the same, had we been presented with such a choice. My friend was given no choice.

charlie, God allows everything to happen by your definition. I am not a Calvinist or believer in predestination. I believe God granted us free will, which means things happen that God permitted but did not dictate. So we’re not going to agree on this one. Catholics like myself believe that people should have the right to die with dignity, meaning not being kept alive by artificially hooked up to machines. That applies to infants as much as to the aged. I am quite skeptical about your link, given that studies I have seen indicate that in fact women have had considerably reduced access to abortion in this country, including virtually zero access in some states, let alone “through all nine months.” I will endeavor to find some facts on the subject. As for Man versus Woman: Man has gender associated with it, so it is not a perfect generic in grammatical terms. (EnglishTeacher, where are you?) That’s why women object to being called men, since it also assumes that being male is the norm, and being female is the exception. Biologically, it’s actually the opposite! The generic mammal is female until the release of testosterone and associated hormones relatively late in fetal development.

charlie: First - Thanks for replying, even if we disagree we owe it to the other person to reply.

First, if you realize it or not, you assume God is male, where I believe God is all giving life force and neither male or felmale.

Two the sad fact is that the Bible was written by men, and at a time when it would never occure to them that women were equal, had any rights, or that the God they were writting about would even think of women.

The bible was written by men. Power writes history.

From what I hear, there is nothing in the bill to fund abortions, so quit crying about that.

Fetuses can be damaged through drugs and other “insults” to the cells. In the wild they are born and left for dead. Remember survival of the fittest? And it would still be that for humans except for the intervention of science to save our precious children, all… how many billions are there now?

Anybody who wants to save a baby from an abortion can jolly well step up to the plate and pay for the health care of said baby and adopt it upon birth. The birth mother MUST NOT be given any information of the whereabouts of the child so she cannot come back later and try to claim it as hers as she has already abandoned it. The adoptive parents must be told the health history of the parents to give proper care to the child.

There are no more powerful words in the English language than Madam Chairman.

GIVER OF LIFE?

If you believe the bible when God (who created heaven and earth and all the creatures therein) wanted to place his son on Earth he didn’t just make him up like he had done with Adam, and place him on the Earth. What God had to do is was find a woman!

Abortion benifits no woman. It is not a good thing, it is a lesser of two evils.

Also, all unwanted pregnancies aren’t systemically terminated, not even most of them. I was not wanted. Most of my nephews had nieces were not wanted either and yet they are alive.

I’m in a math class in NBCC with several of those single mothers righties call sluts in other topics. Are’nt they the saints who chosed to keep their child in this one?

An another thing; abortion is more justifiable than the death penalty in some cases because we can do otherwise than kill the inmate (who can very well be innocent) but in tubal pregnancies, or in the brain dead fetuses (not ”damaged”, b-r-a-i-n d-e-a-d.)

Its funny how the right to lifers care about the fetus yet when its born from a crack head or a prostitute it is left to fend for itself via foster homes.

“But D, those don’t count seeing as they came from really bad people”.

So the best option is to let them grow up in foster homes and allow them to grow up as criminals and/or prostitutes? You guys have your priorities messed up.

You’re alive, we don’t really care about you.

charlie, I am hardly going to take a strongly pro-life website as a legitimate source on George Tiller, of all people.

Any one here remember Dr Tiller in Arkansas? He was known as TILLER the KILLER because for $5000 he would abort full term babies; so yes, full term abortions are legal in some states.

@Scaredguy Where? In Yenemsvelle?

“He was revealed as a man and not a woman, because, in the material world, man represent the Giver of Life in regard to woman, the receiver of life.”

I can’t quite agree with that. If you look at it simply from the point of sexual intercourse, you can think of the woman as the receiver. However, if you think of it from the viewpoint of birth, then clearly the mother is the “giver”, and the child is the “receiver”. We can’t talk about anyone giving life without talking about birth imo.

Now, if you want to put it in religious terms, God is clearly the giver of life - but all mankind is the “receiver”.

charlie, you are overstating the case. Notably. I am not a clinical psychologist, but any who rubber-stamped late-term abortions should have his or her license yanked. Have you looked at the percentage of abortions attributable to this?