When I graduated from high school in 1962, my husband and I bought a house and two cars within the next few years, on what he was making on a job he got right out of high school. Most of the guys I graduated with did the same. I didn’t work, few women did, and those who did usually chose to do so. Now, it isn’t really a choice for most women, unless they don’t mind living in poverty. When I decided to become a teacher, my first quarter’s tuition at Southern Illinois university was $79, and we rented any books we needed for $20. Anyone could go to college with just a part time job to pay for it. Now, the jobs you can get with only high school amount to poverty. It takes two people working to just afford food and shelter. Tuition is out of the question. I know a woman who has a couple of kids and just high school. She could get a job, plenty of them available. But, it would mean that she had to have a second car and pay childcare. On minimum wage, she wouldn’t even break even. And, it is a matter of economics that the guy she has lived with for seven years and had two kids with is not her husband. They have to chose between marriage and the benefits she is able to get as a single mother. There are people who would hate her for working the system. I hate the system that put her into that position.
I have spent some considerable time in Europe, working with people who got free education as a matter of policy from some of the several countries who have this as a matter of public policy. I did not see much in the way of any students having a big party and then coming out of college with an inadequate / nonexistent educational base. Monetizing college for the benefit of Ms.DeVos and the like should be criminal behavior.
Well, but at the heart of the problem is that until recently, “student loans” were a swindle, a federal program to pay bankers to issue risk-free loans on which they collected unrealistically high interest.
Every nation that offers free or subsidized tuition also requires the student to make an approved amount of progress toward their degree. I have not paid attention to how other nations have made the transition, but I doubt they had so many students with so much debt, so we’ll probably have to make it up as we go along.
IMO, this is a phased process: Phase 1 would drop the interest rate on student loans to zero and handle recompense for interest payments already made. Phase 2 would institute a system of free tuition for state-operated schools (or schools that buy in, or some process to decide which ones). Phase 3 would draw down existing balances (at zero interest, remember, there’s plenty of time) with probably a horrible bureaucratic system for deciding how much of each loan was associated with adequate progress.
Some people are not ready for college and never will be. We need to stop pushing ever high school graduate towards a college education. Guidance counselors need to do their jobs and guide, not push.
Daeder about 5 years ago
I suppose offering free education would be far too civilized for conservatives to ever take seriously.
braindead Premium Member about 5 years ago
Trump Disciples like Kelley know that student loans are not a burden to anyone.
All they have to do is ask their father to pay it off.
Ontman about 5 years ago
Mr. Kelley must think that if someone says ‘Dude’ they are stupid.
brwydave Premium Member about 5 years ago
I sympathize with the student in the teal shirt, for there went I.
Durak Premium Member about 5 years ago
Good old Steve, assuming that everyone had the same college experience he did.
Diane Lee Premium Member about 5 years ago
When I graduated from high school in 1962, my husband and I bought a house and two cars within the next few years, on what he was making on a job he got right out of high school. Most of the guys I graduated with did the same. I didn’t work, few women did, and those who did usually chose to do so. Now, it isn’t really a choice for most women, unless they don’t mind living in poverty. When I decided to become a teacher, my first quarter’s tuition at Southern Illinois university was $79, and we rented any books we needed for $20. Anyone could go to college with just a part time job to pay for it. Now, the jobs you can get with only high school amount to poverty. It takes two people working to just afford food and shelter. Tuition is out of the question. I know a woman who has a couple of kids and just high school. She could get a job, plenty of them available. But, it would mean that she had to have a second car and pay childcare. On minimum wage, she wouldn’t even break even. And, it is a matter of economics that the guy she has lived with for seven years and had two kids with is not her husband. They have to chose between marriage and the benefits she is able to get as a single mother. There are people who would hate her for working the system. I hate the system that put her into that position.
Atticus about 5 years ago
Looks to me like Warren is attempting to buy votes.
Alberta Oil Premium Member about 5 years ago
Right.. the testing standards are too high.. how can one expect to party.. AND get good grades.
Radish the wordsmith about 5 years ago
Ha ha, he’s stupid, so he will vote Republican and pay back his loan.
MaryBethJavorek1 about 5 years ago
free education if only they maintain a certain grade level or the tech trades. otherwise it could turn into one big party
6.6TA about 5 years ago
I have spent some considerable time in Europe, working with people who got free education as a matter of policy from some of the several countries who have this as a matter of public policy. I did not see much in the way of any students having a big party and then coming out of college with an inadequate / nonexistent educational base. Monetizing college for the benefit of Ms.DeVos and the like should be criminal behavior.
gcottay about 5 years ago
Dude, grades don’t matter. Be like Trump. Lie and hide!
AndrewSihler about 5 years ago
Well, but at the heart of the problem is that until recently, “student loans” were a swindle, a federal program to pay bankers to issue risk-free loans on which they collected unrealistically high interest.
Concretionist about 5 years ago
Every nation that offers free or subsidized tuition also requires the student to make an approved amount of progress toward their degree. I have not paid attention to how other nations have made the transition, but I doubt they had so many students with so much debt, so we’ll probably have to make it up as we go along.
IMO, this is a phased process: Phase 1 would drop the interest rate on student loans to zero and handle recompense for interest payments already made. Phase 2 would institute a system of free tuition for state-operated schools (or schools that buy in, or some process to decide which ones). Phase 3 would draw down existing balances (at zero interest, remember, there’s plenty of time) with probably a horrible bureaucratic system for deciding how much of each loan was associated with adequate progress.
Kurtass Premium Member about 5 years ago
Some people are not ready for college and never will be. We need to stop pushing ever high school graduate towards a college education. Guidance counselors need to do their jobs and guide, not push.