Needless to say this would be Norway, wouldn’t want to move here, OR risk us spreading our character, er disease to them. (But they did have one loose nut a while ago.)
And who could blame them? We’re the only civilized country in the world with the scope of this problem, because we value the right to guns under ANY AND ALL circumstances (including in the hands of criminals, the insane, and terrorists) above American lives.
Bottom line: I’d appreciate it if some of the gun fanatics here just admitted that point. Because that is, at the end of the day, what you have committed yourself to. Thanks to the NRA and its subservient Congressional minions, perfectly sensible laws have been struck down against the will of the majority, including background checks, closing “gun show” loopholes that permit terrorists to get weapons, forbidding those with proven mental issues from getting a license, etc., etc., etc. The majority of NRA MEMBERS (not the leadership, which is totally in the pocket of the gun manufacturers) support these laws.
And let’s not forget that the pro-states-rights people are all for the feds when it comes to letting THEIR lax gun laws driving gun deaths in other states. Someone on the right will undoubtedly bring up Chicago. But most gun deaths in Chicago are because of guns brought in from Indiana. Chicago’s and Illinois’ gun laws are not at fault here.
The UN should come in and oversee our elections. We have autocrats in Washington more than willing to cheat the process with the help of terrorists foreign and domestic.
The Americans should be designating Russia as sponsoring terrorism what with all the donations to the NRA. Sometimes.. it is hard to see the trees for the forest.. Terrorism.. sponsored by the NRA and funded by Russia.. right in your own back yard.
Kentucky wants to congratulate the NRA for touching the lives of so many of America’s school children. I know I would love for them to experience it themselves…just to share how special it feels to those of us who have lost a family member.
There have been 11 school shooting this year in the US. It is now Jan. 24. That’s about one every other day. Is it time to connect the dots yet or is it still “too early”?
The odds of being killed in a classroom by a gun (bullets actually) is many, many times higher than being killed by a car in the classroom. Out in the world, the odds are now about even, and the odds of being shot by a right-wing supremesist, many times higher than by a foriegn born or “Muslim” terrorist. BTW: as a “lefty” gun owner who supports registration and stronger controls, I may own more firearms than some identified as “gun nuts”, but while I use them as tools, or for sport, haven’t aimed them at humans but once since ’Nam. That one incident did NOT end in a shooting while I was in law enforcement, but the guy was armed and took my advice quickly to comply and cooperate in disarming himself. MIght have been my “charm approach” in voicing my intent “firmly”.
If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Criminals will get guns no matter what. Then the ordinary citizen will have no way to protect his self.
I don’t want this lost in the comments: @MàiriI am a psychologist myself — a research scientist, not a therapist — and categorically reality-based. Your comparisons are poorly chosen at best. How about using appropriate comparisons? As a number of people have pointed out, when you compare our gun death rates to those of other nations, ours are ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE higher; e.g., a conservative and validated estimate has 61,434 gun incidents in the US in 2017, with 15, 583 deaths (http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls)
By contrast, the UK, a country with one-quarter our population, has 50-60 gun killings a year. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/06/16/gun-violence-united-kingdom-united-states/85994716/
For the record, in 2016, there were 40,200 deaths by car. However, cars are useful and necessary across most of the US, and therefore this is the price we pay for convenience and transport. If you correct (as you should) for number of car trips per person per year, the incidence of death is actually far, far lower than the equivalent number of of gun deaths. So this comparison doesn’t make sense either, because even if you ignore number of car trips, it’s still not that much lower than gun deaths.
Your assertion that you can’t prevent mass murders because psychotics will just use another weapon is wholly absurd, and an argument used by the NRA falsely. You can’t kill 58 people and injure 851 in TEN MINUTES, as did the Las Vegas shooter, with any weapon but guns and bombs. And bombs are much, much harder to come by. Therefore: remove the weapon, remove the ability to mass murder on that scale and at that speed.
If you’re going to try and criticize me for my science, you shouldn’t bring a knife to a gun fight…
More for nra took money from russiaWhat it means that Russia may have donated to the NRA to help … – Voxhttps://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction/2018/1/24/…/russian-money-nra-trump1 hour ago – Last Thursday, McClatchy DC published a story titled “FBI Investigating Whether Russian Money Went to NRA to Help Trump.” It states: The FBI is investigating whether a top Russian banker with ties to the Kremlin [Alexander Torshin] illegally funneled money to the National Rifle Association to help Donald …FBI investigating whether Russia funneled cash to NRA to aid Trump’s …www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article195231139.html – FBI agents are examining whether a top Russian banker who forged ties with the National Rifle Association funneled money to the gun rights group It seems like a story concocted by a left-wing conspiracy theorist, but the FBI and congressional intelligence committees reportedly are investigating whether Russian interests with ties to President Vladimir Putin.
Regulated gun ownership is not taking away people’s guns. It is taking away the slipshod ridiculously easy manner in which any idiotic insane person can purchase guns that are semi-automatic or can be altered to be fully automatic rifles weapons of wholesale destruction…., many, many guns and all the ammunition to go with them. I fail to see how the purchase of a semi-automatic rifle that can be altered to become a fully automatic rifle is necessary to a hunter who normally hunts for deer or elk. A hunter would want a rifle that is effective for hunting for food not for the total Destruction of the object that they are hunting. All of the arguments about the right to bear arms hinge on an idiotic premise. Does the right to bear arms mean that a person can go out and buy 50 semi-automatic rifles that would turn a deer into mincemeat in a couple of minutes or does it mean that a hunter can buy a rifle to hunt for food or a person can buy a revolver for personal protection? The Bill of Rights states….. the right to bear arms by a well regulated militia….. If they want to have semi automatic weapons or semi-automatic altered to be fully automatic weapons then they should join the National Guard or the army or the Marines. The NRA is taking the stance that the right to bear arms means that anyone can buy any weapon on the market. I’m curious…. is a bazooka considered a rifle? How about a tank??? or a Howitzer? Who ets to decide what kinds of weapons are legal to possess under the right to bear arms Civil Rights Amendment? Today is January 24th 2018, so far we’ve already had 11 school shootings. The most recent school shooting killed two young people and injured 17 victims. Equivalency arguments about cars or airplanes killing people have absolutely nothing in common with the insanity of allowing people to buy guns that are going to be used to Massacre innocent people. Well regulated gun ownership… This should be a priority in Congress today!!!!!
Dtroutma over 6 years ago
Needless to say this would be Norway, wouldn’t want to move here, OR risk us spreading our character, er disease to them. (But they did have one loose nut a while ago.)
Motivemagus over 6 years ago
And who could blame them? We’re the only civilized country in the world with the scope of this problem, because we value the right to guns under ANY AND ALL circumstances (including in the hands of criminals, the insane, and terrorists) above American lives.
Bottom line: I’d appreciate it if some of the gun fanatics here just admitted that point. Because that is, at the end of the day, what you have committed yourself to. Thanks to the NRA and its subservient Congressional minions, perfectly sensible laws have been struck down against the will of the majority, including background checks, closing “gun show” loopholes that permit terrorists to get weapons, forbidding those with proven mental issues from getting a license, etc., etc., etc. The majority of NRA MEMBERS (not the leadership, which is totally in the pocket of the gun manufacturers) support these laws.
And let’s not forget that the pro-states-rights people are all for the feds when it comes to letting THEIR lax gun laws driving gun deaths in other states. Someone on the right will undoubtedly bring up Chicago. But most gun deaths in Chicago are because of guns brought in from Indiana. Chicago’s and Illinois’ gun laws are not at fault here.
Masterskrain Premium Member over 6 years ago
The NRA; America’s largest and deadliest Home Grown Terrorist Organization. PERIOD!
Mr. Blawt over 6 years ago
The UN should come in and oversee our elections. We have autocrats in Washington more than willing to cheat the process with the help of terrorists foreign and domestic.
Alberta Oil Premium Member over 6 years ago
The Americans should be designating Russia as sponsoring terrorism what with all the donations to the NRA. Sometimes.. it is hard to see the trees for the forest.. Terrorism.. sponsored by the NRA and funded by Russia.. right in your own back yard.
ahab over 6 years ago
Kentucky wants to congratulate the NRA for touching the lives of so many of America’s school children. I know I would love for them to experience it themselves…just to share how special it feels to those of us who have lost a family member.
martens over 6 years ago
There have been 11 school shooting this year in the US. It is now Jan. 24. That’s about one every other day. Is it time to connect the dots yet or is it still “too early”?
Dtroutma over 6 years ago
The odds of being killed in a classroom by a gun (bullets actually) is many, many times higher than being killed by a car in the classroom. Out in the world, the odds are now about even, and the odds of being shot by a right-wing supremesist, many times higher than by a foriegn born or “Muslim” terrorist. BTW: as a “lefty” gun owner who supports registration and stronger controls, I may own more firearms than some identified as “gun nuts”, but while I use them as tools, or for sport, haven’t aimed them at humans but once since ’Nam. That one incident did NOT end in a shooting while I was in law enforcement, but the guy was armed and took my advice quickly to comply and cooperate in disarming himself. MIght have been my “charm approach” in voicing my intent “firmly”.
paranormal over 6 years ago
If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Criminals will get guns no matter what. Then the ordinary citizen will have no way to protect his self.
Motivemagus over 6 years ago
I don’t want this lost in the comments: @MàiriI am a psychologist myself — a research scientist, not a therapist — and categorically reality-based. Your comparisons are poorly chosen at best. How about using appropriate comparisons? As a number of people have pointed out, when you compare our gun death rates to those of other nations, ours are ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE higher; e.g., a conservative and validated estimate has 61,434 gun incidents in the US in 2017, with 15, 583 deaths (http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls)
By contrast, the UK, a country with one-quarter our population, has 50-60 gun killings a year. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/06/16/gun-violence-united-kingdom-united-states/85994716/
For the record, in 2016, there were 40,200 deaths by car. However, cars are useful and necessary across most of the US, and therefore this is the price we pay for convenience and transport. If you correct (as you should) for number of car trips per person per year, the incidence of death is actually far, far lower than the equivalent number of of gun deaths. So this comparison doesn’t make sense either, because even if you ignore number of car trips, it’s still not that much lower than gun deaths.
Your assertion that you can’t prevent mass murders because psychotics will just use another weapon is wholly absurd, and an argument used by the NRA falsely. You can’t kill 58 people and injure 851 in TEN MINUTES, as did the Las Vegas shooter, with any weapon but guns and bombs. And bombs are much, much harder to come by. Therefore: remove the weapon, remove the ability to mass murder on that scale and at that speed.
If you’re going to try and criticize me for my science, you shouldn’t bring a knife to a gun fight…
Radish the wordsmith over 6 years ago
More for nra took money from russiaWhat it means that Russia may have donated to the NRA to help … – Voxhttps://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction/2018/1/24/…/russian-money-nra-trump1 hour ago – Last Thursday, McClatchy DC published a story titled “FBI Investigating Whether Russian Money Went to NRA to Help Trump.” It states: The FBI is investigating whether a top Russian banker with ties to the Kremlin [Alexander Torshin] illegally funneled money to the National Rifle Association to help Donald …FBI investigating whether Russia funneled cash to NRA to aid Trump’s …www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article195231139.html – FBI agents are examining whether a top Russian banker who forged ties with the National Rifle Association funneled money to the gun rights group It seems like a story concocted by a left-wing conspiracy theorist, but the FBI and congressional intelligence committees reportedly are investigating whether Russian interests with ties to President Vladimir Putin.
robnvon Premium Member over 6 years ago
Terrorists will demand jurors be drawn exclusively from people who voted for Trump. Media will not label the people who planned the attack terrorists.
Sadandconfused9 over 6 years ago
Regulated gun ownership is not taking away people’s guns. It is taking away the slipshod ridiculously easy manner in which any idiotic insane person can purchase guns that are semi-automatic or can be altered to be fully automatic rifles weapons of wholesale destruction…., many, many guns and all the ammunition to go with them. I fail to see how the purchase of a semi-automatic rifle that can be altered to become a fully automatic rifle is necessary to a hunter who normally hunts for deer or elk. A hunter would want a rifle that is effective for hunting for food not for the total Destruction of the object that they are hunting. All of the arguments about the right to bear arms hinge on an idiotic premise. Does the right to bear arms mean that a person can go out and buy 50 semi-automatic rifles that would turn a deer into mincemeat in a couple of minutes or does it mean that a hunter can buy a rifle to hunt for food or a person can buy a revolver for personal protection? The Bill of Rights states….. the right to bear arms by a well regulated militia….. If they want to have semi automatic weapons or semi-automatic altered to be fully automatic weapons then they should join the National Guard or the army or the Marines. The NRA is taking the stance that the right to bear arms means that anyone can buy any weapon on the market. I’m curious…. is a bazooka considered a rifle? How about a tank??? or a Howitzer? Who ets to decide what kinds of weapons are legal to possess under the right to bear arms Civil Rights Amendment? Today is January 24th 2018, so far we’ve already had 11 school shootings. The most recent school shooting killed two young people and injured 17 victims. Equivalency arguments about cars or airplanes killing people have absolutely nothing in common with the insanity of allowing people to buy guns that are going to be used to Massacre innocent people. Well regulated gun ownership… This should be a priority in Congress today!!!!!
robnvon Premium Member over 6 years ago
You can’t drink our water either.