Cruz has a problem. It is really too bad he has parents who for economic reasons would risk the splitting of his family. His parents deserve to be deported. One cannot blame Cruz for his predicament. So if Cruz’s parents are deported, they have a decision to make about him. Should they take him with them or hope he can find refuge in DACA? This is a problem that needs to be looked at and I for one am glad to see this administration forcing the Congress to do something about it.
Did your ancestors have to have permission to come in? Mine didn’t, 287 years ago. I can’t tell people they are wrong to try for a better life. I have known and worked with many Mexicans, and all most of them want is a chance to work hard and raise a family. They aren’t all saints, but neither is anybody else I’ve ever met.
There’s a huge difference between criminal activity and civil disobedience – although in the eyes of the uber-just and alt-right it’s all the same ( particularly if your religion or ethnic origins differs from theirs ).
Semantics aside, the vast majority of undocumented immigrants have come to the U.S. to seek a better life and once here, work harder than their hosts to achieve it. They are not leeches on the Welfare State, or thieves and drug dealers. Nor are they out to take the jobs and food out of the mouths of American workers. They are hard working people, who’s dream it is to become a U.S. citizen and make a better life for themselves and their families.
If any of you knew how difficult and expensive a process this is, perhaps ( being the operative word ) you would have a bit more sympathy for their plight. The United States Government has made the path for citizenship, for most, damn near impossible.
These people will risk all, pay everything, work 20 hours a day, just to be part of the “American Dream” – which I think is rapidly turning into the American Nightmare.
For those of you who want to: “_Build the Wall and deport ’em all_ ” – don’t worry ! At the rate the United States is going, nobody’s going to want to move here.
I have lived and worked all over the world in my 72 years on this earth, and this is the first time I have ever been embarrassed to be an American. I am truly ashamed at what’s become of the United States and its people.
It’s funny seeing self righteous americans bash on immigrants, and some of them are so called “Christians”. If you were really a Christian you would welcome immigrants in the U.S. and maybe I don’t know SHOW them how they can live here in the U.S. legally instead of just bullying them, and telling them to leave our country. It’s poor attitudes like that make an american individual and “ugly american”. Not all immigrants are criminals. Some escape from their crime infested country for a better life. Let me ask this, how many of the clothes, cars, food you eat, and other items are made here in U.S.? And how many of your pets were born here in the U.S.? I know some people who have exotic animals as household pets. So some of y’all own pets who are here “illegally!” LOL! Anyway, immigrant, or not they’re still human beings just like us. Let’s treat immigrants like a human being instead of just chastising them, please. I’m no saint, but I do my best to treat everyone I meet with respect, because that’s what I believe in, regardless of who they are, and what they look like. And don’t forget, the Don’s wife, and non of his previous wives including his mother were born here in the U.S. Just a food for thought. God bless, and happy holidays
I really am disappointed in Hector and Carlos. The way they are portraying this story is not only unrealistic, it spits on the millions who went to the trouble to follow all the rules, stand in all the lines, and come here LEGALLY.
In real life, people who enter the US illegally find a nightmare, not only because of coyotes and fear of being caught and deported, they hand cheated themselves out of a chance to really be part of the country. Most illegals don’t speak English, cannot function at a professional level, and are victimized by employers and landlords who know they can’t run to the cops if they are cheated.
All to gain a small temporary advantage over all the people who followed the rules and did the right thing.
“…Millions of immigrants come here legally, make it through all the requirements. Every. Single. Year…”
Unlike you, I don’t make bald statements and do research before opening my big mouth…
Here’s some facts and honeststatistics for you and those to lazy to look them up yourselves. I will list my sources at the end…
Approximately 43.3 million foreign-born people live in the United States. Broken down by immigration status, the foreign-born population includes 20.7 million naturalized U.S. citizens and 22.6 million noncitizens. Of the noncitizens, approximately 13.1 million are lawful permanent residents, 8 11.1 million* are unauthorized migrants, and 1.7 million hold temporary visas.
More Mexican immigrants are returning home than arriving in the United States. From 2009 to 2014, 1 million immigrants returned to Mexico while 870,000 arrived in the United States. This decline can be attributed to a drop of unauthorized Mexican immigrants, which peaked in 2007 at 6.9 million
Fewer than 1 in 5 immigrants live in poverty. In 2015, the poverty rate for immigrants was 17.3 percent, compared with 14.3 percent for the U.S.-born population.
Compared with all Americans, U.S.-born children of immigrants are more likely to go to college, less likely to live in poverty, and equally likely to be homeowners. Thirty-six percent of U.S.-born children of immigrants are college graduates—5 percent above the national average. Eleven percent of adult U.S.-born children of immigrants live in poverty—below the national average of 13 percent—and 64 percent are homeowners, 1 percent below the national average.
I think we need to fix the current system in a number of different ways, or we can expect to go on having significant issues. The current system makes it much easier to immigrate illegally than legally, and is very punitive in its approach. Here is my idea for a more humanitarian system that makes border enforcement less challenging.
1) Make it much, much harder to get a job for anyone without citizenship or current legal immigration status.
2) Increase the number of work visas for legal immigrants to at least the current legal rate plus the estimated number of illegal immigrants working in the US.
3) Streamline the legal immigration process so that it is much easier for anyone with no criminal record to legally immigrate. The process for refugees should account for keeping them safe while validating their status.
4) Create a process for existing illegal immigrants to be vetted and approved for visas. It should take longer and cost more than the process for people outside the US, and might involve paying penalties for the previous transgression.
5) Encourage long-term visa holders to learn English and become citizens.
6) Charge fees for many government services that are free to citizens. This has potential downsides, because it benefits us as a country to educate and immunize children who are growing up here, and the same is true for many other government services. It might be best to handle it as an annual visa renewal fee.
7) Enforce border crossings. This should be much easier once the bulk of the land crossings have been cut down by making the legal process easier than immigrating illegally.
In spite of what you’ve been told by Trump & Co…Immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or be incarcerated than the U.S.-born population. A 2017 study by the Cato Institute found that the 2014 incarceration rate for immigrants—both authorized and unauthorized—ages 18 to 54 was considerably lower than that of the U.S.-born population.30 While the foreign-born share of the U.S. population grew from 11.1 percent to 13.5 percent from 2000 to 2015, FBI data indicate that violent crime rates across the country fell 16 percent, while property crime rates fell 21 percent during the same time period.
.
Finally, one last little factoid for you…Unauthorized immigrants pay an estimated $11.7 billion a year in state and local taxes. This includes more than $7 billion in sales and excise taxes, $3.6 billion in property taxes, and nearly $1.1 billion in personal income taxes. Granting all unauthorized immigrants legal status would boost their tax contributions an additional $2.2 billion per year. Immigrants—even legal immigrants—pay to support many of the benefits they are statutorily barred from receiving.
Every ethnic minority which comes to America faces discrimination and hardship. But over time, those who obey the law and truly become part of the US, both thrive personally and are recognized for their culture. Those who break the law fail in the main, because they create their own barriers through short-sighted assumptions.
This was the most explosive day for comments. 4 or 5 people on 0ne side and most all other people on the other. Lots of opinions on a very serious subject. I think the Dreamer kids and young adults are going through a very hard time since the pResident decided to send all the dreamers away. It will take years to heal the nation after this administration and things done , can get back all the progress we have made previously and had. Thanks Carlos and Hector, for your part of the struggle for causes that matter.
Can someone, anyone, PLEASE remove these conservative-fascists from membership? The degree of cruelty, lack of sympathy and just general heartlessness ruins the rest of this page.Dump them to Iran – They want strict borders- give it to them.We’re all descended from illegal immigrants to this country. Get over yourselves or get out!..Baldo is spot on and the occasional forarys into current political mire is welcome as hell.
Can someone, anyone, PLEASE remove these conservative-fascists from membership? The degree of cruelty, lack of sympathy and just general heartlessness ruins the rest of this page.Dump them to Iran – They want strict borders- give it to them.We’re all descended from illegal immigrants to this country. Get over yourselves or get out!..Baldo is spot on and the occasional forarys into current political mire is welcome as hell.
Templo S.U.D. over 6 years ago
Cruz sure lives the life.
Carl Premium Member over 6 years ago
He would do the same thing any child whose parents have been arrested for illegal activity would do.
duggersd Premium Member over 6 years ago
Cruz has a problem. It is really too bad he has parents who for economic reasons would risk the splitting of his family. His parents deserve to be deported. One cannot blame Cruz for his predicament. So if Cruz’s parents are deported, they have a decision to make about him. Should they take him with them or hope he can find refuge in DACA? This is a problem that needs to be looked at and I for one am glad to see this administration forcing the Congress to do something about it.
fuzzbucket Premium Member over 6 years ago
Did your ancestors have to have permission to come in? Mine didn’t, 287 years ago. I can’t tell people they are wrong to try for a better life. I have known and worked with many Mexicans, and all most of them want is a chance to work hard and raise a family. They aren’t all saints, but neither is anybody else I’ve ever met.
Linguist over 6 years ago
There’s a huge difference between criminal activity and civil disobedience – although in the eyes of the uber-just and alt-right it’s all the same ( particularly if your religion or ethnic origins differs from theirs ).
Semantics aside, the vast majority of undocumented immigrants have come to the U.S. to seek a better life and once here, work harder than their hosts to achieve it. They are not leeches on the Welfare State, or thieves and drug dealers. Nor are they out to take the jobs and food out of the mouths of American workers. They are hard working people, who’s dream it is to become a U.S. citizen and make a better life for themselves and their families.
If any of you knew how difficult and expensive a process this is, perhaps ( being the operative word ) you would have a bit more sympathy for their plight. The United States Government has made the path for citizenship, for most, damn near impossible.
These people will risk all, pay everything, work 20 hours a day, just to be part of the “American Dream” – which I think is rapidly turning into the American Nightmare.
For those of you who want to: “_Build the Wall and deport ’em all_ ” – don’t worry ! At the rate the United States is going, nobody’s going to want to move here.
I have lived and worked all over the world in my 72 years on this earth, and this is the first time I have ever been embarrassed to be an American. I am truly ashamed at what’s become of the United States and its people.
45Nasrad over 6 years ago
and the indoctrination continues
Cameron1988 Premium Member over 6 years ago
It’s funny seeing self righteous americans bash on immigrants, and some of them are so called “Christians”. If you were really a Christian you would welcome immigrants in the U.S. and maybe I don’t know SHOW them how they can live here in the U.S. legally instead of just bullying them, and telling them to leave our country. It’s poor attitudes like that make an american individual and “ugly american”. Not all immigrants are criminals. Some escape from their crime infested country for a better life. Let me ask this, how many of the clothes, cars, food you eat, and other items are made here in U.S.? And how many of your pets were born here in the U.S.? I know some people who have exotic animals as household pets. So some of y’all own pets who are here “illegally!” LOL! Anyway, immigrant, or not they’re still human beings just like us. Let’s treat immigrants like a human being instead of just chastising them, please. I’m no saint, but I do my best to treat everyone I meet with respect, because that’s what I believe in, regardless of who they are, and what they look like. And don’t forget, the Don’s wife, and non of his previous wives including his mother were born here in the U.S. Just a food for thought. God bless, and happy holidays
DanielDrummond over 6 years ago
I really am disappointed in Hector and Carlos. The way they are portraying this story is not only unrealistic, it spits on the millions who went to the trouble to follow all the rules, stand in all the lines, and come here LEGALLY.
In real life, people who enter the US illegally find a nightmare, not only because of coyotes and fear of being caught and deported, they hand cheated themselves out of a chance to really be part of the country. Most illegals don’t speak English, cannot function at a professional level, and are victimized by employers and landlords who know they can’t run to the cops if they are cheated.
All to gain a small temporary advantage over all the people who followed the rules and did the right thing.
RabbitDad over 6 years ago
I think all children of rape should be deported; after all, they’re only here because one of their parents committed a crime.
ahoneyman47 over 6 years ago
Will you just go AWAY?!?
Linguist over 6 years ago
@DanielDrummond
“…Millions of immigrants come here legally, make it through all the requirements. Every. Single. Year…”
Unlike you, I don’t make bald statements and do research before opening my big mouth…
Here’s some facts and honest statistics for you and those to lazy to look them up yourselves. I will list my sources at the end…
Approximately 43.3 million foreign-born people live in the United States. Broken down by immigration status, the foreign-born population includes 20.7 million naturalized U.S. citizens and 22.6 million noncitizens. Of the noncitizens, approximately 13.1 million are lawful permanent residents, 8 11.1 million* are unauthorized migrants, and 1.7 million hold temporary visas.More Mexican immigrants are returning home than arriving in the United States. From 2009 to 2014, 1 million immigrants returned to Mexico while 870,000 arrived in the United States. This decline can be attributed to a drop of unauthorized Mexican immigrants, which peaked in 2007 at 6.9 million
Fewer than 1 in 5 immigrants live in poverty. In 2015, the poverty rate for immigrants was 17.3 percent, compared with 14.3 percent for the U.S.-born population.
Compared with all Americans, U.S.-born children of immigrants are more likely to go to college, less likely to live in poverty, and equally likely to be homeowners. Thirty-six percent of U.S.-born children of immigrants are college graduates—5 percent above the national average. Eleven percent of adult U.S.-born children of immigrants live in poverty—below the national average of 13 percent—and 64 percent are homeowners, 1 percent below the national average.
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/immigration/reports/2017/04/20/430736/facts-immigration-today-2017-edition/
ahoneyman47 over 6 years ago
That was meant for Palmateer. Sorry for any confusion.
jbarnes over 6 years ago
I think we need to fix the current system in a number of different ways, or we can expect to go on having significant issues. The current system makes it much easier to immigrate illegally than legally, and is very punitive in its approach. Here is my idea for a more humanitarian system that makes border enforcement less challenging.
1) Make it much, much harder to get a job for anyone without citizenship or current legal immigration status.
2) Increase the number of work visas for legal immigrants to at least the current legal rate plus the estimated number of illegal immigrants working in the US.
3) Streamline the legal immigration process so that it is much easier for anyone with no criminal record to legally immigrate. The process for refugees should account for keeping them safe while validating their status.
4) Create a process for existing illegal immigrants to be vetted and approved for visas. It should take longer and cost more than the process for people outside the US, and might involve paying penalties for the previous transgression.
5) Encourage long-term visa holders to learn English and become citizens.
6) Charge fees for many government services that are free to citizens. This has potential downsides, because it benefits us as a country to educate and immunize children who are growing up here, and the same is true for many other government services. It might be best to handle it as an annual visa renewal fee.
7) Enforce border crossings. This should be much easier once the bulk of the land crossings have been cut down by making the legal process easier than immigrating illegally.
Linguist over 6 years ago
@DanielDrummond, et al
In spite of what you’ve been told by Trump & Co…Immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or be incarcerated than the U.S.-born population. A 2017 study by the Cato Institute found that the 2014 incarceration rate for immigrants—both authorized and unauthorized—ages 18 to 54 was considerably lower than that of the U.S.-born population.30 While the foreign-born share of the U.S. population grew from 11.1 percent to 13.5 percent from 2000 to 2015, FBI data indicate that violent crime rates across the country fell 16 percent, while property crime rates fell 21 percent during the same time period.
.
Finally, one last little factoid for you…Unauthorized immigrants pay an estimated $11.7 billion a year in state and local taxes. This includes more than $7 billion in sales and excise taxes, $3.6 billion in property taxes, and nearly $1.1 billion in personal income taxes. Granting all unauthorized immigrants legal status would boost their tax contributions an additional $2.2 billion per year. Immigrants—even legal immigrants—pay to support many of the benefits they are statutorily barred from receiving.
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/immigration/reports/2017/04/20/430736/facts-immigration-today-2017-edition/
DanielDrummond over 6 years ago
Every ethnic minority which comes to America faces discrimination and hardship. But over time, those who obey the law and truly become part of the US, both thrive personally and are recognized for their culture. Those who break the law fail in the main, because they create their own barriers through short-sighted assumptions.
ladywyntre over 6 years ago
I don’t know how to explain to you that you should care about other people.
pam Miner over 6 years ago
This was the most explosive day for comments. 4 or 5 people on 0ne side and most all other people on the other. Lots of opinions on a very serious subject. I think the Dreamer kids and young adults are going through a very hard time since the pResident decided to send all the dreamers away. It will take years to heal the nation after this administration and things done , can get back all the progress we have made previously and had. Thanks Carlos and Hector, for your part of the struggle for causes that matter.
RichardAHill over 6 years ago
Can someone, anyone, PLEASE remove these conservative-fascists from membership? The degree of cruelty, lack of sympathy and just general heartlessness ruins the rest of this page.Dump them to Iran – They want strict borders- give it to them.We’re all descended from illegal immigrants to this country. Get over yourselves or get out!..Baldo is spot on and the occasional forarys into current political mire is welcome as hell.
RichardAHill over 6 years ago
Can someone, anyone, PLEASE remove these conservative-fascists from membership? The degree of cruelty, lack of sympathy and just general heartlessness ruins the rest of this page.Dump them to Iran – They want strict borders- give it to them.We’re all descended from illegal immigrants to this country. Get over yourselves or get out!..Baldo is spot on and the occasional forarys into current political mire is welcome as hell.