Jeff Stahler for December 04, 2016

_ Sources familiar with the deal announced late Wednesday confirmed to ABC News that 800 jobs at the Carrier facility in Indianapolis would remain, but that 600 would still be outsourced to Mexico. The company had announced in February that the factory, which employs 1,400 workers to produce furnaces and furnace parts, would shut down operations over the next three years._

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Carrier intends to retain 300 white-collar positions — such as research and headquarters operations — in Indianapolis, but those jobs were never going to Mexico.

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So, no, not 1100 jobs “saved.” Only idiots would trust what Trump says without checking the facts.

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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/300-carrier-jobs-trump-touts-indiana-moving-mexico/story?id=43915691

A well oiled machine works wonders.

Robots do need robot manufacturers and maintenance personnel :-|

@JDave48“While receiving zero in state services.”

That’s just the way it is in the CrossRoads of America.

fusilier, in Indianapolis

James 2:24

by paying Carrier a yuge subsidy

‘U.S. sanctions’ could take on a whole new meaning.

State governments love to give away taxes that cities and counties rely upon. Federal government gave away state and likely local tax base to make this happen. A “cheap” gift. More important is the fact that automation creates fewer jobs than it displaces, so there are simply not enough jobs. Manufacturing jobs peaked in the US, and a few years earlier in China — if I am correctly informed — so we have to find new ways of providing income. Hard to fathom, but that is the situation we face.

Poetic justice since idiot racist robots voted for crooked Trump.

But, nobody pays that much attention. Trump supporters only see the guy so happy to keep his job that he’s crying on the TV news and praising Trump. Carrier is the only winner in this bribe, paid for by Indiana taxpayers, and they will only keep those jobs here until the spotlight is off.

A thousand jobs retained, 1,300 still shipped overseas (not just Mexico), and robotics ARE the reason so many unskilled and semi-skilled jobs have disappeared, not even exporting the jobs is totally responisble.

Back in the early 60’s went down the Chrysler line in LA where my dad worked in food services, and all those guys were busting butt on the line, now it’s all robotics with one or two humans instead of hundreds, and they’re pushing buttons, not drills and wrenches.

technology has advanced, and the humans aren’t all capable of keeping up with the change required in education, and well, capability to do the job!

Uncle Joe

Truth is always a good point. Most of those thirty-plus with a higher standard of living than the US, have a legally mandated retraining program for employees hit by technological obsolescence. Far better than starting a tariff war that benefits no one, why not start with repealing tax write-offs for moving overseas, for ruining the planet, and who knows how many other anti-social ways.

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IRS certainly doesn’t know. I was part of a group organizing a consumer co-op, so I went to the library and started wading through the tax code to find out what tax form we needed. No answer, so I went to the IRS office. They never heard of a consumer co-op since Texas refuses to give then incorporation protection – we had incorporated under a DC law, written by a Texan to deal with such situations. Every time they came up with an answer I was able to cite chapter and verse why that could not apply. Ultimately, we filed under a standard corporation form, but with a sheet of “translations”: “where it says ‘stockholders’ we mean ‘members’”, “where it says ‘profits’, we mean ‘distributed earnings’”, etc.

The cartoon brings up a good point. Once upon a time, a man could make a living digging ditches. Then came the steam shovel. It’s called progress. Those who learned to operate the steam shovels became rich. Those who owned them became even richer.

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Jobs are being outsourced overseas. These are the menial, low tech jobs usually performed in sweatshops. These are also the menial, low tech jobs that illegal immigrants are “stealing” from American workers here.

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There are decent-paying jobs out there that will go to the first person qualified to fill them. The problem is that they require some amount of technical training beyond high school. In this regard, I agree with Bernie Sanders: not with his free college education for anyone who wants it, but with post-high school technical colleges and community colleges. These institutions are more in touch with the needs in their local communities. They need to be made affordable.

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It is unfortunate that the bar for middle-class has been raised from a HS diploma to something more, but it’s a reality and it is a reality that should be achievable.

…and the CEO of the company that owns Carrier said, “were going to automate and STILL reduce number of employees.” Using the $7 mil of taxes saved.