The math and science is right. Scientists agree the build up of green house gas is increasing the temperature of the air and water. The only debate is how bad the effects will be. They range from bad to catastrophic and how long it will take. The problem is it will displace industries, people and cost a lot of money to fix. It will also require cooperation of all the countries on earth. I guess when most of the coastal areas are under water there will finally be a consensuses. Hopefully the earth will remain habitable long enough to reverse to problem.
Coal is as primitive as gasoline. We haven’t really come all that far technologically when we are still burning stuff for energy. Obama’s initiative is one more example of his leadership. My goodness! Leading the country out of a probable depression, disentagling the U.S. (mostly) from Iraq and Afghanistan, the ACA, Cuba, gay marriage, the Iranian deal, the TPP, and now a serious effort to prevent the worst of climate change. This has been a transformative presidency. Go Barack!
I just wonder why the republicans don’t seem to care about all the factories that have been shut down and all the jobs that were out sourced abroad but they are so concerned about the people who work in coal mines.
“It is going to be harder to pay for electricity.”http://www.renewable-energysources.com/“Where will they get plastic with no oil drilling?”http://sustainable-nano.com/2014/06/26/the-chemical-story-behind-non-petroleum-based-plastics/“Where will they get electricity without natural gas to get the boilers up to speed for the solar power plants to actually work?”“The grid, smart or not, is wasteful. Power generation produces 32% of all greenhouse gases, more than any other economic sector. Most power in the US is generated by burning coal, immediately squandering 67% of its energy, then run through a steam turbine, losing another 50%, then sent across transmission lines, losing another 5%, then to charge a DC device like a cell phone another 50% is lost in conversion. This means for 100 watts of coal or oil burned my phone gets a mere 16. In this light a solar panel that is 18% efficient doesn’t seem that bad.”http://robrhinehart.com/?p=1331" I drove by several windmill farms last year that were not turning at all.On several different days.What would you use for backup power?"http://www.ted.com/talks/donald_sadoway_the_missing_link_to_renewable_energy?language=enhttp://fortune.com/2015/05/06/elon-musk-tesla-home-battery/
You gotta admire how Payne and the Republicans are standing up for the coal jobs. I mean, this is the same as the coal miners, right?
It’s not like Republicans and mine owners have fought against any and every safety and environmental regulation that was ever proposed or enforced, as well as any heath care for the miners.
Yeah, let’s protect miner’s jobs forever just like we did for gas station attendants until 1970 and for farriers (the guys who shoed horses) until the auto came along.
About that stupidly false “JOBS” theme, especially in coal; think about this, how many thousands of jobs were lost to automation in mining and other industries? how many thousands of jobs (and towns) were lost when “mountain top removal” became the industry goal?
The only “jobs” affected witll be the salaries and benefits received by CEOs and executives, the “black lung worker” jobs were gone a LONG TIME AGO!!
Personally, I applaud the decrease in coal jobs. Miners are not protected as the mine owners violate safety protocols without any punishment when caught. As coal became harder to mine, mountaintops were blown off and dumped in streams.-But Payne doesn’t even have the facts.-President Obama is tremendously unpopular in Appalachia, thanks in large part to his administration’s treatment of the coal industry. But the industry has long been in decline, and it fared even worse under some of Obama’s predecessors.-http://www.nationaljournal.com/pictures-video/who-killed-all-the-coal-jobs-20131104
^When did Payne need FACTS! He just panders to those who do not understand how technology has changed the way that millions of Americans work. They also do not understand the economics of coal vs. natural gas!
Michael Peterson Premium Member over 8 years ago
Yeah, it’s tough to make a living destroying the environment these days.
lonecat over 8 years ago
It’s not just coal, I also worry about jobs in the whale oil industry.
Theodore E. Lind Premium Member over 8 years ago
The math and science is right. Scientists agree the build up of green house gas is increasing the temperature of the air and water. The only debate is how bad the effects will be. They range from bad to catastrophic and how long it will take. The problem is it will displace industries, people and cost a lot of money to fix. It will also require cooperation of all the countries on earth. I guess when most of the coastal areas are under water there will finally be a consensuses. Hopefully the earth will remain habitable long enough to reverse to problem.
NeedaChuckle Premium Member over 8 years ago
Why is working in a coal mine being lauded as a great job?
Dave Ferro over 8 years ago
Coal keeps me warm in winter. I like coal.
twclix over 8 years ago
Coal is as primitive as gasoline. We haven’t really come all that far technologically when we are still burning stuff for energy. Obama’s initiative is one more example of his leadership. My goodness! Leading the country out of a probable depression, disentagling the U.S. (mostly) from Iraq and Afghanistan, the ACA, Cuba, gay marriage, the Iranian deal, the TPP, and now a serious effort to prevent the worst of climate change. This has been a transformative presidency. Go Barack!
randolini Premium Member over 8 years ago
I just wonder why the republicans don’t seem to care about all the factories that have been shut down and all the jobs that were out sourced abroad but they are so concerned about the people who work in coal mines.
superposition over 8 years ago
“It is going to be harder to pay for electricity.”http://www.renewable-energysources.com/“Where will they get plastic with no oil drilling?”http://sustainable-nano.com/2014/06/26/the-chemical-story-behind-non-petroleum-based-plastics/“Where will they get electricity without natural gas to get the boilers up to speed for the solar power plants to actually work?”“The grid, smart or not, is wasteful. Power generation produces 32% of all greenhouse gases, more than any other economic sector. Most power in the US is generated by burning coal, immediately squandering 67% of its energy, then run through a steam turbine, losing another 50%, then sent across transmission lines, losing another 5%, then to charge a DC device like a cell phone another 50% is lost in conversion. This means for 100 watts of coal or oil burned my phone gets a mere 16. In this light a solar panel that is 18% efficient doesn’t seem that bad.”http://robrhinehart.com/?p=1331" I drove by several windmill farms last year that were not turning at all.On several different days.What would you use for backup power?"http://www.ted.com/talks/donald_sadoway_the_missing_link_to_renewable_energy?language=enhttp://fortune.com/2015/05/06/elon-musk-tesla-home-battery/
braindead Premium Member over 8 years ago
You gotta admire how Payne and the Republicans are standing up for the coal jobs. I mean, this is the same as the coal miners, right?
It’s not like Republicans and mine owners have fought against any and every safety and environmental regulation that was ever proposed or enforced, as well as any heath care for the miners.
Nope, this is just about jobs, right Henry?
streetbeater over 8 years ago
Yeah, let’s protect miner’s jobs forever just like we did for gas station attendants until 1970 and for farriers (the guys who shoed horses) until the auto came along.
streetbeater over 8 years ago
Say no to refrigerators! Protect the icemen!
ConserveGov over 8 years ago
Right now is the PERFECT time for less jobs and higher taxes on Americans. Good job Barry!
Dtroutma over 8 years ago
About that stupidly false “JOBS” theme, especially in coal; think about this, how many thousands of jobs were lost to automation in mining and other industries? how many thousands of jobs (and towns) were lost when “mountain top removal” became the industry goal?
The only “jobs” affected witll be the salaries and benefits received by CEOs and executives, the “black lung worker” jobs were gone a LONG TIME AGO!!
Nantucket Premium Member over 8 years ago
Personally, I applaud the decrease in coal jobs. Miners are not protected as the mine owners violate safety protocols without any punishment when caught. As coal became harder to mine, mountaintops were blown off and dumped in streams.-But Payne doesn’t even have the facts.-President Obama is tremendously unpopular in Appalachia, thanks in large part to his administration’s treatment of the coal industry. But the industry has long been in decline, and it fared even worse under some of Obama’s predecessors.-http://www.nationaljournal.com/pictures-video/who-killed-all-the-coal-jobs-20131104
DrDon1 over 8 years ago
^When did Payne need FACTS! He just panders to those who do not understand how technology has changed the way that millions of Americans work. They also do not understand the economics of coal vs. natural gas!