Iran’s participation in the 5+1 talks is merely “diplomatic Jihad”….The Pentagon reported circa 2012/13 that Iran is working to build an ICBM armory to carry the Nukes it plans to produce. Then, Iran plans to “eliminate Israel” and “target the USA”…..-Obama and Kerry are aiding and abetting one of our worst enemies. Iran began Leading a Global Jihad in 1979, 36 years of proof of Iran’s earned #1 in Sponsoring Terrorism.-Now that Obama is claiming Iran is an Ally against ISIS with the USA (a dangerous and stupid claim) is he aiming to also claim Cuba and Venezuela as “allies” also? -My Question, why has no Congressman spoken up to say that aiding and abetting enemies should be impeachable?
@Hiram BinghamJust to be clear, that would be the Peacemakers negotiating a bad deal that leads either to Israel conducting a pre-emptive strike, or being wiped off the map, or the other kind?
I’ve made war; making peace is just the saner alternative. Where does the oxymoron “Compassionate Christian” come from respecting today’s “Conservative Christians”?
If you’re going to be so admirably/ ludicrously and a-contextually literal-minded, (strange position, I must say, for the enlightened liberal I take you to be) why negotiate at all?
Why not teach the Iranians a real moral lesson and provide them with nuclear missile technology and enriched uranium or plutonium to spare, and wait for the purifying guilt to set in after they destroy the Enemy and the Greater Enemy, one after the other?
No, I’d say you can’t read, or won’t, for reasons of your own. I left you the choice to regard yourself as admirable or ludicrous, if serious. Jesus ain’t available to be taken as either, or literally, but the Bible certainly can’t. My impression, from this dubious source, though, is that he was a genius the like of which the world has not yet seen again, and unlikely to have given obviously false, unworkable and in the end detrimental advice.
I make the simple point that peace at all costs, or even just at too high a cost, is no peace at all. There is no peace without justice, if you like it aphoristic. And I think Jesus understood that supremely well. It follows as the night the day that I consider work for the latter kind of peace better than for the former. I’m Afrikaans, from South Africa, and we have a saying that translated reads “Make your friendliness cheap and your friendship dear”. There’s a way to go before friendship is at play, here. But we could happily agree on the goal, and even on making it explicit. Now that would make for some decent negotiation, wouldn’t it?
cripplious about 9 years ago
Well we’re only going with our Sunni, I mean Saudi allies
kline0800 about 9 years ago
Iran’s participation in the 5+1 talks is merely “diplomatic Jihad”….The Pentagon reported circa 2012/13 that Iran is working to build an ICBM armory to carry the Nukes it plans to produce. Then, Iran plans to “eliminate Israel” and “target the USA”…..-Obama and Kerry are aiding and abetting one of our worst enemies. Iran began Leading a Global Jihad in 1979, 36 years of proof of Iran’s earned #1 in Sponsoring Terrorism.-Now that Obama is claiming Iran is an Ally against ISIS with the USA (a dangerous and stupid claim) is he aiming to also claim Cuba and Venezuela as “allies” also? -My Question, why has no Congressman spoken up to say that aiding and abetting enemies should be impeachable?
Cilliers about 9 years ago
@Hiram BinghamJust to be clear, that would be the Peacemakers negotiating a bad deal that leads either to Israel conducting a pre-emptive strike, or being wiped off the map, or the other kind?
Dtroutma about 9 years ago
I’ve made war; making peace is just the saner alternative. Where does the oxymoron “Compassionate Christian” come from respecting today’s “Conservative Christians”?
oneoldhat about 9 years ago
dear hiram it was not an enemy soldier but current government soldier
Cilliers about 9 years ago
@Hiram.
If you’re going to be so admirably/ ludicrously and a-contextually literal-minded, (strange position, I must say, for the enlightened liberal I take you to be) why negotiate at all?
Why not teach the Iranians a real moral lesson and provide them with nuclear missile technology and enriched uranium or plutonium to spare, and wait for the purifying guilt to set in after they destroy the Enemy and the Greater Enemy, one after the other?
DrDon1 about 9 years ago
@wmconnellyYes, looks like Bok did try to be humorous in this one!
Cilliers about 9 years ago
No, I’d say you can’t read, or won’t, for reasons of your own. I left you the choice to regard yourself as admirable or ludicrous, if serious. Jesus ain’t available to be taken as either, or literally, but the Bible certainly can’t. My impression, from this dubious source, though, is that he was a genius the like of which the world has not yet seen again, and unlikely to have given obviously false, unworkable and in the end detrimental advice.
Cilliers about 9 years ago
I make the simple point that peace at all costs, or even just at too high a cost, is no peace at all. There is no peace without justice, if you like it aphoristic. And I think Jesus understood that supremely well. It follows as the night the day that I consider work for the latter kind of peace better than for the former. I’m Afrikaans, from South Africa, and we have a saying that translated reads “Make your friendliness cheap and your friendship dear”. There’s a way to go before friendship is at play, here. But we could happily agree on the goal, and even on making it explicit. Now that would make for some decent negotiation, wouldn’t it?
oneoldhat about 9 years ago