I think elephant hate is quite appropriate. The Republcons have been running a hate campaign against the President and the middle class for several years now. A little justice feels good.
Uh huh… When Repub’s shoot themselves in their own foot, blame the left? Riiiiight…That’s the danger of trying to conceal carry their own stupidity out in civilized society.
I downloaded the Indiana bill. It doesn’t address any group. It does allow for redress in some circumstances. Any law can be abused and there is always the lawsuit to redress an abuse. IMHO, the Liberal Zealots are overstating the potential to indicate actual abuse.
Often, gay marriage becomes legal based on a court decision. I noticed on the last ballot here (I live in Texas, DFW area), Democrats were running for nearly all the judgeships UNOPPOSED. Apparently just a few Republicans were interested in being a judge.
MY QUESTION, is this the case anywhere else?
I’m really just wondering. Of course TX is a conservative state, but in California I understand that the people voted twice against gay marriage, and twice the courts shot it down.
If you win by using the courts against the will of the people, what does that say for your position? Nevermind racial hatred (for this discussion) – homosexuality is behavior that most people are viscerally turned off by (& 25% of THOSE pretend not to be). We don’t want our children or grandchildren to be influenced by this – & that’s why elections get a “NO” vote.
If it turns out that Democrat judges are largely the ones overturning the will of the people, you gotta stop and wonder, about a lot of things. For instance, what does it say for the political philosophy of the left in this country if they rely (deliberately or otherwise) on a plurality of liberal judges to overturn the popular vote? This would show that their philosophy is opposed by the majority, & that they don’t care for the most basic building block of a democracy, which is “majority rules”.
And one more – why doesn’t somebody stand up and say “10, 20 or 30 years ago I held the same stance as most conservatives today, and I was hateful, and shouldn’t have been.” Nope, they’d rather look down their nose at others.
“Majority rules” – except when the majority oppresses the minority. Or do you really think we need to go back to segregation and Jim Crow? Maybe even slavery?
I personally think it would be better for all, if the words “Civil Unions” were to be used for such unions by the civil authorities, and not the word “Marriage”. Such unions should be open to all couples regardless of their particular sexual orientation, and ensure equal “civil” rights to all such couples!!
Then the chruch could use the word “marriage” to mean just what each church would want it to mean. And there are at least some churches where same sex marriages are also welcome. But, no church should be made to sanction a particular sexually oriented marriage that it objects to.
Overall, that would then totally support the great principle of the seperation of the state from any particular religion. A principle that protects the church as much from the state, as it protects the state from the church!
And the only thing that Indiana needs to do to make this entire issue simply go away, is to change their own “freedom of religion” law to conform with the federal law. Just as Arkansas has evidently now done. Simple as that!
A lot of the comments here, and most of these sites, tend to forget or ignore the fact that religion is a choice, sexuality is not a choice. Good and bad behaviors happen across the spectrum.
That’s an editorial opinion. Find me an actual news story, Harley. The truth is the majority of Gays don’t care about your religion. In fact, I personally know a right wing O’Riley watching Catholic lesbian who’s against gay marriage.
You make really good arguments, but as Christians should we strive for better? Nowhere in the bible does it justify this. If homosexuality is a sin, guess what? We ALL sin. Jesus fed multitudes and healed the sick, at no point (at least in my bible) does he make anyone pass a “litmus test” before serving them..One of the conclusions I drew when reading the New Testament is that the Bible is suppose to make us uncomfortable with our prejudices, not provide justification for them.
Darsan54 Premium Member about 9 years ago
Still the party of No, but within a society of yes.
Theodore E. Lind Premium Member about 9 years ago
I think elephant hate is quite appropriate. The Republcons have been running a hate campaign against the President and the middle class for several years now. A little justice feels good.
noddin0ff about 9 years ago
Uh huh… When Repub’s shoot themselves in their own foot, blame the left? Riiiiight…That’s the danger of trying to conceal carry their own stupidity out in civilized society.
BaltoBill about 9 years ago
^ Harley doesn’t evwen understand the irony of his defense of discrimination against gays using civil rights as an example.
nanellen about 9 years ago
brilliant response denis 112I support your views.
dzw3030 about 9 years ago
I downloaded the Indiana bill. It doesn’t address any group. It does allow for redress in some circumstances. Any law can be abused and there is always the lawsuit to redress an abuse. IMHO, the Liberal Zealots are overstating the potential to indicate actual abuse.
SClark55 Premium Member about 9 years ago
Often, gay marriage becomes legal based on a court decision. I noticed on the last ballot here (I live in Texas, DFW area), Democrats were running for nearly all the judgeships UNOPPOSED. Apparently just a few Republicans were interested in being a judge.
MY QUESTION, is this the case anywhere else?
I’m really just wondering. Of course TX is a conservative state, but in California I understand that the people voted twice against gay marriage, and twice the courts shot it down.
If you win by using the courts against the will of the people, what does that say for your position? Nevermind racial hatred (for this discussion) – homosexuality is behavior that most people are viscerally turned off by (& 25% of THOSE pretend not to be). We don’t want our children or grandchildren to be influenced by this – & that’s why elections get a “NO” vote.
If it turns out that Democrat judges are largely the ones overturning the will of the people, you gotta stop and wonder, about a lot of things. For instance, what does it say for the political philosophy of the left in this country if they rely (deliberately or otherwise) on a plurality of liberal judges to overturn the popular vote? This would show that their philosophy is opposed by the majority, & that they don’t care for the most basic building block of a democracy, which is “majority rules”.
And one more – why doesn’t somebody stand up and say “10, 20 or 30 years ago I held the same stance as most conservatives today, and I was hateful, and shouldn’t have been.” Nope, they’d rather look down their nose at others.
kaffekup about 9 years ago
“Majority rules” – except when the majority oppresses the minority. Or do you really think we need to go back to segregation and Jim Crow? Maybe even slavery?
oneoldhat about 9 years ago
so it is ok to be against Christians // that is pc
frodo1008 about 9 years ago
I personally think it would be better for all, if the words “Civil Unions” were to be used for such unions by the civil authorities, and not the word “Marriage”. Such unions should be open to all couples regardless of their particular sexual orientation, and ensure equal “civil” rights to all such couples!!
Then the chruch could use the word “marriage” to mean just what each church would want it to mean. And there are at least some churches where same sex marriages are also welcome. But, no church should be made to sanction a particular sexually oriented marriage that it objects to.
Overall, that would then totally support the great principle of the seperation of the state from any particular religion. A principle that protects the church as much from the state, as it protects the state from the church!
And the only thing that Indiana needs to do to make this entire issue simply go away, is to change their own “freedom of religion” law to conform with the federal law. Just as Arkansas has evidently now done. Simple as that!
lindz.coop Premium Member about 9 years ago
What goes round, comes round :)
Say What Now‽ Premium Member about 9 years ago
A lot of the comments here, and most of these sites, tend to forget or ignore the fact that religion is a choice, sexuality is not a choice. Good and bad behaviors happen across the spectrum.
Jason Allen about 9 years ago
That’s an editorial opinion. Find me an actual news story, Harley. The truth is the majority of Gays don’t care about your religion. In fact, I personally know a right wing O’Riley watching Catholic lesbian who’s against gay marriage.
echoraven about 9 years ago
You make really good arguments, but as Christians should we strive for better? Nowhere in the bible does it justify this. If homosexuality is a sin, guess what? We ALL sin. Jesus fed multitudes and healed the sick, at no point (at least in my bible) does he make anyone pass a “litmus test” before serving them..One of the conclusions I drew when reading the New Testament is that the Bible is suppose to make us uncomfortable with our prejudices, not provide justification for them.
William Bednar Premium Member about 9 years ago
Party of “NO”? More like the Party of “Stupid” in a society of “Smart”!