Obama sent 193 minions to Israel to rig the elections against Netanyahu. Israelis took notice, and voted accordingly. Well done, liberals. How proud you must be of yourselves!
The Arabs had the “two state solution” in 1948 when the United Nations set it up. The problem is that the Arabs never wanted that and will probably never accept that.
I’m sorry for my ignorance, did the Palestinian recognized the right of Israel to exist? I may have missed that memo. For a two estate solution, shouldn’t it be an Israel?
We can be sure the Hamas would have killed many, many more if they had the technology. According to Hamas, “A good Jew is a dead Jew.” http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/Feb-28/289137-egypt-court-declares-palestinian-movement-hamas-terrorist.ashx
There are HUNDREDS more articles proving the problem is with Hamas, not with Israel.
Check it out. Check it out. Check it out.
If you still refuse to believe the truth, then God help you.
You have a problem. Hamas is the murderer of the two state solution. Every time they come to the bargaining table, they absolutely refuse to stop the rocket attacks into Israel.
Israel has said, over and over, if Hamas will stop the rocket attacks and live peaceably, we will accept them as a state. But, Hamas refuses. http://www.newsmax.com/AlanDershowitz/Israel/2014/07/23/id/584381/ -http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4467/hamas-israel-airport -http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-rocket-that-spelled-the-end-of-the-two-state-solution/- http://www.mfa.gov.sg/content/mfa/media_centre/press_room/pr/2014/201408/press_20140508.printable.html?status=1 Paragraph 7 states: … Singapore supports the right of the Palestinian people to a homeland under a two-state solution. And Israelis must also be able to live in enduring peace and security. Unfortunately, this is proving to be extremely difficult to realise. The situation is compounded by the fact that Hamas does not recognise Israel, and calls for the destruction of Israel. The rocket attacks from Gaza, on Israel, have increased from previous attacks on Israel in 2009 and 2012 …
There are thousands more articles to support Israel and her right to defend herself from this kind of terrorism.
If you refuse to read and understand the facts, then God help you.
75% of voters in Israel voted AGAINST Bibi the bomb guy, but with their system, he will still hold power, another sad day for peace and justice. It almost makes our “two party” (which it’s actually not) system seem more rational.
asked “Why do you feel it necessary to say “Israeli Jews” but not “Palestinian Muslims”? or “Palestinian Jews”?”
The term Jews can mean those of Jewish faith or simply those who are of Jewish culture. Something like 20 to 35% of all Israeli Jews do not believe in a god. In the USA, about half of all Jews express doubt about a god. Churchy on our forum is culturally Jewish but has stated he is an atheist.
Within Israel, there are Jews (Israeli-Jews:75.4%) and Arabs (Israeli-Arabs:20.6%), and other minorities (4%).Break it down via religious affiliation: Jewish:75.4%; 16.9% Muslim; 2,1% Christian; Druze 1,7%: Non-religious: 4%
Within the West Bank & Gaza and Israel one can breakdown religious affiliation of the Palestinians as Muslim, Christian, Druze.
martens descriptor clearly indicated Israelis who are culturally Jewish and those who identify as Palestinian. There is no hatred in the descriptor other than your own.
In pandering to the Israeli extreme-rightwing that is exactly what Bibi has done: killed off the two-state idea.
I note that folks within the thread above propose ethnic-cleansing for the Palstinians in the same sentence while expressing outrage that there are those who want Jews pushed out into the sea. How do they not see they are exactly like those who want Jews pushed out. Ethnic cleansing of any sort is morally repugnant.
The trouble is that many who have expressed racism against the Palestinians (including Netanyahu) support Netanyahu and had him re-elected.
Quit calling it racism when what it is is the Palestinians want to destroy the Jews. Because somebody is against someone who wants to destroy them does not make it racism. This is a liberal attack on anyone who doesn’t agree with them.
“Pointing out the racism and hatred of others is not hatred.”
Misrepresenting others’ words as hatred is, well, rather hateful. martens certainly wasn’t being bigoted. You, however…I wonder if, according to your yardstick, the cartoonist ,Kichka, is helping the Nazi cause; he used Auschwitz as his backdrop in this cartoon.
You ignore rampant discrimination against non-Jewish Israelis and claim there isn’t just because they have a few Arabs in the Knessett?
As for not providing an exact breakdown of the Westbank & Gaza’s populations as regards cultures & religious affiliations, because you had taken umbrage at the use of the the term “Israeli-Jews”. I explained at length why this was a valid term or differentiator.But if you’d like a breakdown of Palestinians not within Israel: allow me to help you out:97% of Palestinians in the WB & G are Muslim; 3% are Christian and the remainder Druze and other minorities. I don’t see numbers regarding those who are agnostic or atheist but I’d hazard it is very low.For Palestinians in historic Palestine (Israel, Westbank & Gaza) the numbers are 93% Muslim; 6% Christian and 1% other.Palestinian Jews as an identity are apparently now very few (the Naqba had the equivalent occur, and in similar numbers, to Jews living in what is now Westbank & Gaza and other terroritories).
You also stated: "And Jews are not a culture. "
Jews beg to differ
andHumanistic Judaism
You stated: “Stop lying, no one is looking to exterminate any non-jews”Ah, but there: Avigdor Lieberman:
Willie Killus about 9 years ago
Obama sent 193 minions to Israel to rig the elections against Netanyahu. Israelis took notice, and voted accordingly. Well done, liberals. How proud you must be of yourselves!
twclix about 9 years ago
Uh huh. You have it nailed. You’re so damned insightful.
ms-ss about 9 years ago
How right you are, Harley!
Fuzzy Thinker Premium Member about 9 years ago
All the whiners want to demonize Bibi. 74% voted in the election. It is what Israel wants and Bibi represents that.
Mneedle about 9 years ago
The Arabs had the “two state solution” in 1948 when the United Nations set it up. The problem is that the Arabs never wanted that and will probably never accept that.
cperos about 9 years ago
I’m sorry for my ignorance, did the Palestinian recognized the right of Israel to exist? I may have missed that memo. For a two estate solution, shouldn’t it be an Israel?
jimguess about 9 years ago
Right!
jimguess about 9 years ago
Poor Cynthia …
Clueless as usual. Here is a link for you. But, I doubt you will believe it. It is true, though …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel
We can be sure the Hamas would have killed many, many more if they had the technology. According to Hamas, “A good Jew is a dead Jew.” http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/Feb-28/289137-egypt-court-declares-palestinian-movement-hamas-terrorist.ashx
There are HUNDREDS more articles proving the problem is with Hamas, not with Israel.
Check it out. Check it out. Check it out.
If you still refuse to believe the truth, then God help you.
jimguess about 9 years ago
Steve,
You have a problem. Hamas is the murderer of the two state solution. Every time they come to the bargaining table, they absolutely refuse to stop the rocket attacks into Israel.
Israel has said, over and over, if Hamas will stop the rocket attacks and live peaceably, we will accept them as a state. But, Hamas refuses. http://www.newsmax.com/AlanDershowitz/Israel/2014/07/23/id/584381/ -http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4467/hamas-israel-airport -http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-rocket-that-spelled-the-end-of-the-two-state-solution/- http://www.mfa.gov.sg/content/mfa/media_centre/press_room/pr/2014/201408/press_20140508.printable.html?status=1 Paragraph 7 states: … Singapore supports the right of the Palestinian people to a homeland under a two-state solution. And Israelis must also be able to live in enduring peace and security. Unfortunately, this is proving to be extremely difficult to realise. The situation is compounded by the fact that Hamas does not recognise Israel, and calls for the destruction of Israel. The rocket attacks from Gaza, on Israel, have increased from previous attacks on Israel in 2009 and 2012 …
There are thousands more articles to support Israel and her right to defend herself from this kind of terrorism.
If you refuse to read and understand the facts, then God help you.
Dtroutma about 9 years ago
75% of voters in Israel voted AGAINST Bibi the bomb guy, but with their system, he will still hold power, another sad day for peace and justice. It almost makes our “two party” (which it’s actually not) system seem more rational.
Ironose about 9 years ago
That’s very clever.
OmqR-IV.0 about 9 years ago
asked “Why do you feel it necessary to say “Israeli Jews” but not “Palestinian Muslims”? or “Palestinian Jews”?”
The term Jews can mean those of Jewish faith or simply those who are of Jewish culture. Something like 20 to 35% of all Israeli Jews do not believe in a god. In the USA, about half of all Jews express doubt about a god. Churchy on our forum is culturally Jewish but has stated he is an atheist.
Within Israel, there are Jews (Israeli-Jews:75.4%) and Arabs (Israeli-Arabs:20.6%), and other minorities (4%).Break it down via religious affiliation: Jewish:75.4%; 16.9% Muslim; 2,1% Christian; Druze 1,7%: Non-religious: 4%
Within the West Bank & Gaza and Israel one can breakdown religious affiliation of the Palestinians as Muslim, Christian, Druze.
martens descriptor clearly indicated Israelis who are culturally Jewish and those who identify as Palestinian. There is no hatred in the descriptor other than your own.
OmqR-IV.0 about 9 years ago
In pandering to the Israeli extreme-rightwing that is exactly what Bibi has done: killed off the two-state idea.
I note that folks within the thread above propose ethnic-cleansing for the Palstinians in the same sentence while expressing outrage that there are those who want Jews pushed out into the sea. How do they not see they are exactly like those who want Jews pushed out. Ethnic cleansing of any sort is morally repugnant.
The trouble is that many who have expressed racism against the Palestinians (including Netanyahu) support Netanyahu and had him re-elected.
Gerald Henley about 9 years ago
Quit calling it racism when what it is is the Palestinians want to destroy the Jews. Because somebody is against someone who wants to destroy them does not make it racism. This is a liberal attack on anyone who doesn’t agree with them.
OmqR-IV.0 about 9 years ago
“Pointing out the racism and hatred of others is not hatred.”
Misrepresenting others’ words as hatred is, well, rather hateful. martens certainly wasn’t being bigoted. You, however…I wonder if, according to your yardstick, the cartoonist ,Kichka, is helping the Nazi cause; he used Auschwitz as his backdrop in this cartoon.
You ignore rampant discrimination against non-Jewish Israelis and claim there isn’t just because they have a few Arabs in the Knessett?
As for not providing an exact breakdown of the Westbank & Gaza’s populations as regards cultures & religious affiliations, because you had taken umbrage at the use of the the term “Israeli-Jews”. I explained at length why this was a valid term or differentiator.But if you’d like a breakdown of Palestinians not within Israel: allow me to help you out:97% of Palestinians in the WB & G are Muslim; 3% are Christian and the remainder Druze and other minorities. I don’t see numbers regarding those who are agnostic or atheist but I’d hazard it is very low.For Palestinians in historic Palestine (Israel, Westbank & Gaza) the numbers are 93% Muslim; 6% Christian and 1% other.Palestinian Jews as an identity are apparently now very few (the Naqba had the equivalent occur, and in similar numbers, to Jews living in what is now Westbank & Gaza and other terroritories).
You also stated: "And Jews are not a culture. "
Jews beg to differ
andHumanistic Judaism
You stated: “Stop lying, no one is looking to exterminate any non-jews”Ah, but there: Avigdor Lieberman:
Yochanan Gordon: “When Genocide is Permissible”
I await your response.