Great. Just great. Give our opponents advice on how to divide (further divide) us, and play us off one another. Aside for other reasons, this latest treasonous act is a big reason for turning them all out, before they are the death of us all!
Mangy Moose just called the issuance of that letter ‘treasonous’ – I’m not defending the ‘idiots’ In the Senate who wrote or put their names to the letter, but I am going to point out that ANY action or utterance cannot be ACTUALLY treasonous UNTIL America is truly at war with a country (War exists only AFTER it is declared by a joint action of Congress – this is in the Constitution) so – ‘incredibly stupid’; yes… Alss ‘absolutely juvenile’, as well, but it can’t be called ‘treasonous’ until the mental midgets in Congress actually get off their dead asses and actually DECLARE WAR against someone! But, Moose, the rest of your sentiments are right on!
“Each House may dtermine the rules of it’s proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member.” Article 5 section I of the U.S. Constitution.
Simply put, 47 Senators should be heading home. Unfortunately they have the “numbers” to keep screwing us up for two more years.It would be nice if any othe 47 had ever read Article II of that same Constitution. (Not the “Rush Revere” version.)
First they go all “blue dress” on Netanyahu, now this? It would be nice if instead of bitching about Obama, a few more of them, like the Republcians who wouldn’t sign this idiocy, actually read the Constitution and the Roles of Congress and the Executive. That obviously ain’t going to happen for at least another two years.
Even were they in violation of the law, the political reality is they would never be prosecuted for such. Of course, it sure is fun for folks to accuse Republicans of treason when they’ve done the same to anyone who disagrees with them on foreign policy for at least the last 15 years. Hoisted by their own petard, indeed.
That said, this letter is simply one more example showing that there is a strong contingent of Republicans in Congress who are just itching for another war, whatever the cost. Because still being tangled up to varying degrees in a couple others we’ve been involved with for over ten years each just isn’t enough.
wellis1947: The “aid and comfort” clause is questionable, but in the context of their allegiance to the Nazi Revolutionary Army and its plan for violent overthrow of the United States by countless “isolated” violent acts of subversion, the “levying war” clause is applicable.
@Churchillwas rightIf Boehner invited Bibi to “educate” this Congress, then Boehner needs to invite dozens more “experts” to try and do more educating.
So, posters, care to suggest some more “educational” speakers?
When Netanyahu appeared before Congress to educate lawmakers
You mean when he stood up to give his usual skewed, warmongering view. (Also keeping in mind that this is the same Netanyahu who some years ago swore Iran was just a month or two away from assembling a bomb. Same message now. Probably the same message in ten more years.)
When Congress sent a letter to Iran to educate them on how the US Constitution works
Except that their letter showed a basic ignorance of the US Constitution.
It’s obvious to me that Democrats consider education traitorous.
Try ignorance and miseducation. Remember, it’s the Republicans who are the party of calling evolution and the Big Bang Theory “lies straight from the pit of Hell.” Among other such chestnuts of wisdom.
Apparently I was misinformed; the New York Daily News strives to be politically neutral. Although those who know that it’s owned by Mortimer Zuckerman will forever accuse it of being ultraliberal.
Yes, the very fact of their letter displayed an ignorance of—or at the very least a disregard for—the constitutional powers of the various branches of government. Unless they’re so stupid as to think that Iran’s leadership wouldn’t know that a binding international agreement would have to be ratified by the Senate (and given Tom Cotton’s record, that’s not outside the realm of possibility, though some of those other Senators should have known better), then they had to know they were sending the letter as direct interference with the constitutional powers of the president to conduct these negotiations. Which is part of why some of those senators who signed that letter are walking those signatures back.
@DrDon1So, posters, care to suggest some more “educational” speakers?I’m not familiar with Senate protocol, so I don’t know if the Democratic Minority Leader gets to invite anybody. So I doubt that Democrats will get to invite the Ayatollah to “educate” us.
Dr. Don was asking who Boehner might invite next. But you ignore that, and move straight to a sleazy linking of Democrats to Iran’s leadership. Way to stay classy, churchie, way to stay classy.
Liberals, who call anyone they don’t agree with treasonous, do not get to call anyone out on classy.
You’re painting a whole class of people with a rather broad brush. Not new for you, but also not cool. And if you’ll see, I, someone you would call a “liberal,” have not called the Letter of the 47 “treasonous.” So by your standards, I still get to call you out. And really? A link to that cesspool otherwise known as Breitbart? But hey, let’s take that site at its word. Know what all seven of those examples don’t have in common with what the Republicans just did? They didn’t have nearly the entire caucus of one of our legislative chambers sign onto it. They also weren’t actively trying to scuttle the efforts of our administration to ensure that yet another country doesn’t develop nuclear weapons. So no, it actually doesn’t get much worse than that.
Thank you for your research and for a well-taken, insightful, and informative commentary. We need more people to do their “Home Work” before commenting…as you have done.
•As a side: Would you please enlighten me on the “Full meaning” of your by-line, “The past is the enemy of the future,” as it appears to me to convey the very opposite meaning and wisdom as set by George Santayana when he observed, “Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it,” or, the modern variant of his famous statement, “Those who do not know history’s mistakes are doomed to repeat them.” Thank you will look for your reply.
Odon Premium Member about 9 years ago
From the United States of (Some)Americans group.
moosemin about 9 years ago
Great. Just great. Give our opponents advice on how to divide (further divide) us, and play us off one another. Aside for other reasons, this latest treasonous act is a big reason for turning them all out, before they are the death of us all!
dzw3030 about 9 years ago
Lalo should include the UC campus at Irvine. They’re trying to ban flying the US flag on campus.
wellis1947 Premium Member about 9 years ago
Mangy Moose just called the issuance of that letter ‘treasonous’ – I’m not defending the ‘idiots’ In the Senate who wrote or put their names to the letter, but I am going to point out that ANY action or utterance cannot be ACTUALLY treasonous UNTIL America is truly at war with a country (War exists only AFTER it is declared by a joint action of Congress – this is in the Constitution) so – ‘incredibly stupid’; yes… Alss ‘absolutely juvenile’, as well, but it can’t be called ‘treasonous’ until the mental midgets in Congress actually get off their dead asses and actually DECLARE WAR against someone! But, Moose, the rest of your sentiments are right on!
Dtroutma about 9 years ago
“Each House may dtermine the rules of it’s proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member.” Article 5 section I of the U.S. Constitution.
Simply put, 47 Senators should be heading home. Unfortunately they have the “numbers” to keep screwing us up for two more years.It would be nice if any othe 47 had ever read Article II of that same Constitution. (Not the “Rush Revere” version.)braindead Premium Member about 9 years ago
If you criticize Bibi, it means that you hate Israel, right?
And if you criticize Obama, it means you love America. Right?
Dtroutma about 9 years ago
First they go all “blue dress” on Netanyahu, now this? It would be nice if instead of bitching about Obama, a few more of them, like the Republcians who wouldn’t sign this idiocy, actually read the Constitution and the Roles of Congress and the Executive. That obviously ain’t going to happen for at least another two years.
kaffekup about 9 years ago
The New York Daily News, normally a right-wing rag, accused them of just that, treason, in huge letters. Who am I to disagree with them?
agrestic about 9 years ago
Even were they in violation of the law, the political reality is they would never be prosecuted for such. Of course, it sure is fun for folks to accuse Republicans of treason when they’ve done the same to anyone who disagrees with them on foreign policy for at least the last 15 years. Hoisted by their own petard, indeed.
That said, this letter is simply one more example showing that there is a strong contingent of Republicans in Congress who are just itching for another war, whatever the cost. Because still being tangled up to varying degrees in a couple others we’ve been involved with for over ten years each just isn’t enough.
sw10mm about 9 years ago
It was cool when the dems sent a letter to ortega, now it’s not?? But wait, it’s the hypocritical dems we’re talking about…
hippogriff about 9 years ago
wellis1947: The “aid and comfort” clause is questionable, but in the context of their allegiance to the Nazi Revolutionary Army and its plan for violent overthrow of the United States by countless “isolated” violent acts of subversion, the “levying war” clause is applicable.
Lord Gaga about 9 years ago
GOP to world: "Don’t trust U.S., we’ll betray our allies and even stab our own president in the back.
DrDon1 about 9 years ago
@Churchillwas rightIf Boehner invited Bibi to “educate” this Congress, then Boehner needs to invite dozens more “experts” to try and do more educating.
So, posters, care to suggest some more “educational” speakers?
agrestic about 9 years ago
When Netanyahu appeared before Congress to educate lawmakers
You mean when he stood up to give his usual skewed, warmongering view. (Also keeping in mind that this is the same Netanyahu who some years ago swore Iran was just a month or two away from assembling a bomb. Same message now. Probably the same message in ten more years.)
When Congress sent a letter to Iran to educate them on how the US Constitution works
Except that their letter showed a basic ignorance of the US Constitution.
It’s obvious to me that Democrats consider education traitorous.
Try ignorance and miseducation. Remember, it’s the Republicans who are the party of calling evolution and the Big Bang Theory “lies straight from the pit of Hell.” Among other such chestnuts of wisdom.
kaffekup about 9 years ago
Apparently I was misinformed; the New York Daily News strives to be politically neutral. Although those who know that it’s owned by Mortimer Zuckerman will forever accuse it of being ultraliberal.
agrestic about 9 years ago
Yes, the very fact of their letter displayed an ignorance of—or at the very least a disregard for—the constitutional powers of the various branches of government. Unless they’re so stupid as to think that Iran’s leadership wouldn’t know that a binding international agreement would have to be ratified by the Senate (and given Tom Cotton’s record, that’s not outside the realm of possibility, though some of those other Senators should have known better), then they had to know they were sending the letter as direct interference with the constitutional powers of the president to conduct these negotiations. Which is part of why some of those senators who signed that letter are walking those signatures back.
agrestic about 9 years ago
@DrDon1So, posters, care to suggest some more “educational” speakers?I’m not familiar with Senate protocol, so I don’t know if the Democratic Minority Leader gets to invite anybody. So I doubt that Democrats will get to invite the Ayatollah to “educate” us.
Dr. Don was asking who Boehner might invite next. But you ignore that, and move straight to a sleazy linking of Democrats to Iran’s leadership. Way to stay classy, churchie, way to stay classy.
agrestic about 9 years ago
Liberals, who call anyone they don’t agree with treasonous, do not get to call anyone out on classy.
You’re painting a whole class of people with a rather broad brush. Not new for you, but also not cool. And if you’ll see, I, someone you would call a “liberal,” have not called the Letter of the 47 “treasonous.” So by your standards, I still get to call you out. And really? A link to that cesspool otherwise known as Breitbart? But hey, let’s take that site at its word. Know what all seven of those examples don’t have in common with what the Republicans just did? They didn’t have nearly the entire caucus of one of our legislative chambers sign onto it. They also weren’t actively trying to scuttle the efforts of our administration to ensure that yet another country doesn’t develop nuclear weapons. So no, it actually doesn’t get much worse than that.
leweclectic about 9 years ago
Thank you for your research and for a well-taken, insightful, and informative commentary. We need more people to do their “Home Work” before commenting…as you have done.
•As a side: Would you please enlighten me on the “Full meaning” of your by-line, “The past is the enemy of the future,” as it appears to me to convey the very opposite meaning and wisdom as set by George Santayana when he observed, “Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it,” or, the modern variant of his famous statement, “Those who do not know history’s mistakes are doomed to repeat them.” Thank you will look for your reply.