George Wallace? I had to look him up:“In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.” – January 14, 1963
* sniff, reminds me so much of home.
So, this Moore bloke, he’s drawing a new line, or, is it a landslide break on that slippery slope? :
"And the chief justice was confident that he would “absolutely not” end up on the wrong side of history.
“Do they stop with one man and one man or one woman and one woman?” he asked. “Or do they go to multiple marriages? Or do they go to marriages between men and their daughters or women and their sons?”
I’d roll my eyes at Alabamans but we have ’em all over the world.
It’s helpful to remember that George Wallace recanted his racist views, publicly apologized, and in his fourth term as governor made sure to appoint more blacks to his cabinet than ever before (or since) in that state’s history.
It’s true that things didn’t work out too well for George W., or America, for that matter.OMG, am I not confusing the former governor of Alabama with a former governor of Texas?
“I’m not sure what side he would be on this. I never think it is fair for gay marriage supporters to equate itself with the civil rights movement.”To my knowledge, Reverend King never spoke of it one way or the other. I can tell you that his wife, Coretta Scott King, was an active and vocal supporter of gay rights since at least the early 1980s. She advocated the Civil Rights Act be amended to include gays. She invited the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force to take part in observances of the 40th anniversary of the March on Washington. She railed against Bush’s failed anti-gay marriage constitutional amendment saying “A constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages is a form of gay bashing and it would do nothing at all to protect traditional marriages.”
It’s pretty meaningless to point out the differences between blacks and gays. Gays may have been able to hide the fact that they were gay, but it forced them to live lives of fear and secrecy. Blacks didn’t need to live in loveless marriages to hide their “dirty little secret” nor did they have to fear being blackmailed by anyone who had found out. Bigoted law enforcement had to go to the trouble of inventing reasons to arrest or jail blacks. They could imprison gays just for being gays. Blacks also didn’t have to fear being sentenced to castration, either. During the Nazi occupation of Europe, blacks and gays were both sent to concentration camps. However American soldiers liberating the camps put the gays back in.Blacks and gays had different experiences but both groups have been hated, discriminated against, and killed just for being themselves. Both groups had to fight for their civil rights. Their past and experiences are different, but that doesn’t mean both groups don’t have the same struggle for civil rights.
Aw, come on, I know you’re just joking, but couldn’t you make an exception for an attractive girl born in Michigan and now living in a most beautiful city on top of the Eiffel Tower?“Why don’t you come up and see me sometime?”
“Jasse. At least you are talking to me and not trying to silence me like sizeofpea that thinks you can’t speak for yourself. (Sincerly, I hope you took my joke on the Stahler page with the light heart it was meant to convey)”Pea read it wrong and took offense. Was he already in a mood? Did he confuse you with some of the posters spouting holier-than-thou bile? I don’t know. It was a misunderstanding and I’m going to leave it at that.As I said, gays and blacks had different experiences. As a white gay man, I don’t know first hand what it was like being black in the civil rights era. At the same time, straight black men didn’t experience what gays went through. Is it better for your oppressor to readily see who you are, or is it better to live a life of secrecy being forever afraid that your secret will be discovered? Is it better easily identified, or to never be able to find love and happiness? Yes, most gays could pass for straight. But they have to come out to meet up with other gays. Suspected gay hang outs were regularly raided. Getting caught in a gay bar or trying to “hook up” was the end of hiding. Once you were just suspected of being gay, that was the end of it; the hatred and harassment started. Or just as bad, a person would black mail you for money over and over. A lynch mob only needed to think you were gay. Gays had managed to get hired into upper levels of government, but only because they “beat the system.” Just as gays were banned from the military, they were banned form holding high level jobs in government. The reason is that if they were discovered as gay, they could be blackmailed into giving government secrets to enemy spies.I think of it as this: Is it better to die slowly of multiple stab wounds, or to die slowly from poison? The pain may be different, but the result is the same.
OmqR-IV.0 about 9 years ago
George Wallace? I had to look him up:“In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.” – January 14, 1963
* sniff, reminds me so much of home.
So, this Moore bloke, he’s drawing a new line, or, is it a landslide break on that slippery slope? :
"And the chief justice was confident that he would “absolutely not” end up on the wrong side of history.
“Do they stop with one man and one man or one woman and one woman?” he asked. “Or do they go to multiple marriages? Or do they go to marriages between men and their daughters or women and their sons?”
I’d roll my eyes at Alabamans but we have ’em all over the world.
Jason Allen about 9 years ago
http://abcnews.go.com/US/alabama-37th-state-sex-marriages/story?id=28836644
cdward about 9 years ago
It’s helpful to remember that George Wallace recanted his racist views, publicly apologized, and in his fourth term as governor made sure to appoint more blacks to his cabinet than ever before (or since) in that state’s history.
Theodore E. Lind Premium Member about 9 years ago
Hey you have to be against progress if your a conservative. Conservatives are all about living in an early 19th century dreamland.
veronique auzon engel about 9 years ago
It’s true that things didn’t work out too well for George W., or America, for that matter.OMG, am I not confusing the former governor of Alabama with a former governor of Texas?
Jason Allen about 9 years ago
“I’m not sure what side he would be on this. I never think it is fair for gay marriage supporters to equate itself with the civil rights movement.”To my knowledge, Reverend King never spoke of it one way or the other. I can tell you that his wife, Coretta Scott King, was an active and vocal supporter of gay rights since at least the early 1980s. She advocated the Civil Rights Act be amended to include gays. She invited the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force to take part in observances of the 40th anniversary of the March on Washington. She railed against Bush’s failed anti-gay marriage constitutional amendment saying “A constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages is a form of gay bashing and it would do nothing at all to protect traditional marriages.”
Jason Allen about 9 years ago
It’s pretty meaningless to point out the differences between blacks and gays. Gays may have been able to hide the fact that they were gay, but it forced them to live lives of fear and secrecy. Blacks didn’t need to live in loveless marriages to hide their “dirty little secret” nor did they have to fear being blackmailed by anyone who had found out. Bigoted law enforcement had to go to the trouble of inventing reasons to arrest or jail blacks. They could imprison gays just for being gays. Blacks also didn’t have to fear being sentenced to castration, either. During the Nazi occupation of Europe, blacks and gays were both sent to concentration camps. However American soldiers liberating the camps put the gays back in.Blacks and gays had different experiences but both groups have been hated, discriminated against, and killed just for being themselves. Both groups had to fight for their civil rights. Their past and experiences are different, but that doesn’t mean both groups don’t have the same struggle for civil rights.
veronique auzon engel about 9 years ago
Aw, come on, I know you’re just joking, but couldn’t you make an exception for an attractive girl born in Michigan and now living in a most beautiful city on top of the Eiffel Tower?“Why don’t you come up and see me sometime?”
Jason Allen about 9 years ago
“Jasse. At least you are talking to me and not trying to silence me like sizeofpea that thinks you can’t speak for yourself. (Sincerly, I hope you took my joke on the Stahler page with the light heart it was meant to convey)”Pea read it wrong and took offense. Was he already in a mood? Did he confuse you with some of the posters spouting holier-than-thou bile? I don’t know. It was a misunderstanding and I’m going to leave it at that.As I said, gays and blacks had different experiences. As a white gay man, I don’t know first hand what it was like being black in the civil rights era. At the same time, straight black men didn’t experience what gays went through. Is it better for your oppressor to readily see who you are, or is it better to live a life of secrecy being forever afraid that your secret will be discovered? Is it better easily identified, or to never be able to find love and happiness? Yes, most gays could pass for straight. But they have to come out to meet up with other gays. Suspected gay hang outs were regularly raided. Getting caught in a gay bar or trying to “hook up” was the end of hiding. Once you were just suspected of being gay, that was the end of it; the hatred and harassment started. Or just as bad, a person would black mail you for money over and over. A lynch mob only needed to think you were gay. Gays had managed to get hired into upper levels of government, but only because they “beat the system.” Just as gays were banned from the military, they were banned form holding high level jobs in government. The reason is that if they were discovered as gay, they could be blackmailed into giving government secrets to enemy spies.I think of it as this: Is it better to die slowly of multiple stab wounds, or to die slowly from poison? The pain may be different, but the result is the same.