I do not like McCain for so many reasons, but his commment here is correct. It is not about ‘does it work?,’ It’s about right and wrong. It IS about who we are. Our constitution, our laws, international law all say it..and our conscience should say it. It’s WRONG.
“Wow, Johnny finally got one right.”-Only because of his personal experience with torture. If he and other republicans could experience working for a minimum wage and other problems of average Americans, maybe they could get a few other things right.
Many times in my life, some from what I have read, some from personal experience, I have heard, “That cannot happen here, this is AMERICA” when terrible actions have been done by americans.
McCain (as the only member with personal experience) has always spoken against torture, as it IS ineffective to obtain the truth, and is vengence, not interrogation.
His speaking out on this is one of the few remaining things he says that I agree with, totally.
Which, I can guarantee that using methods I observed, and was taught NOT to use, in less than 20 minutes, I could have Harley, or any of the righties ‘tooning, or speaking out for torture, to say whatever I wanted them to, even if it wouldn’t be the truth.
Now Cheney’s throwing Bush under the bus by saying he knew everything in advance, and of course Dickey pooh ordered it all for the boss, making him only a bystander, who approved.
Even Tenet and others tried to spare Bush grief, but not old Mr. Shoot you in the face.
BTW: viable intel gathered by torture- zero to the tenth power is still just zero. As has been cited by many sources, and books, by folks who were actually working in intelligence, and disgusted by Rumsfeld and Cheney’s minions. Abu Ghraib and Gitmo and other locations got us zero.
Theodore E. Lind Premium Member over 9 years ago
He got it right. It is about who we are.
eepatt over 9 years ago
I do not like McCain for so many reasons, but his commment here is correct. It is not about ‘does it work?,’ It’s about right and wrong. It IS about who we are. Our constitution, our laws, international law all say it..and our conscience should say it. It’s WRONG.
JDave over 9 years ago
“Wow, Johnny finally got one right.”-Only because of his personal experience with torture. If he and other republicans could experience working for a minimum wage and other problems of average Americans, maybe they could get a few other things right.
eugene57 over 9 years ago
Many times in my life, some from what I have read, some from personal experience, I have heard, “That cannot happen here, this is AMERICA” when terrible actions have been done by americans.
charliekane over 9 years ago
. . . and we all know that in real life, torture saves lives! Just ask Jack Bauer.
Evil must not be excused. If justified, it creeps into our practice. Do we truly gain, if the price of our security is our soul?
As a practical matter, we cannot right the wrong we have done. We can only expose it, and pray that we learn from our error.
Back_phil over 9 years ago
Opps, I didn’t appreciate Benson’s cartoon without my glasses.
I thought it was Obama pissing on the Constitution because he has the power to do what ever he wants.
Dtroutma over 9 years ago
McCain (as the only member with personal experience) has always spoken against torture, as it IS ineffective to obtain the truth, and is vengence, not interrogation.
His speaking out on this is one of the few remaining things he says that I agree with, totally.
Which, I can guarantee that using methods I observed, and was taught NOT to use, in less than 20 minutes, I could have Harley, or any of the righties ‘tooning, or speaking out for torture, to say whatever I wanted them to, even if it wouldn’t be the truth.
Dtroutma over 9 years ago
Now Cheney’s throwing Bush under the bus by saying he knew everything in advance, and of course Dickey pooh ordered it all for the boss, making him only a bystander, who approved.
Even Tenet and others tried to spare Bush grief, but not old Mr. Shoot you in the face.
BTW: viable intel gathered by torture- zero to the tenth power is still just zero. As has been cited by many sources, and books, by folks who were actually working in intelligence, and disgusted by Rumsfeld and Cheney’s minions. Abu Ghraib and Gitmo and other locations got us zero.
Dtroutma over 9 years ago
Harley, not even remotely related issues. Which, when folks have decided someone is stupid, they don’t need to prove it.
michael Premium Member over 9 years ago
You realize that McCain is a Republican, and doesn’t speak for “liberals”? He means what he says.