Henry, have you read ANYTHING about the waste from shale oil crude, and from the heavy crude from the oil sands? If that pipeline goes through, then Louisiana will have a BIG problem on its hand! Yes, long-term TEMPORARY jobs will result, but great risks and other environmental difficulties will be with us for a long time. As usual, a few will add big profits to their already billion+ accounts.
If the Republicans were actually concerned with those 20,000 temporary jobs, they’d consent to spend the money on repairing the roads and bridges that comprise our crumbling infrastructure.
I think we should built it because the Canadians are going to get their oil to the international market with or without us. It is just a matter of the US getting some benefit in jobs, perhaps new US refineries on the Gulf coast and some influence over the process. The light, sweet crude from US fracking could drive down international crude prices and end up reducing the price of gas in the good old US. Not to mention less political dependence on all those rational people in the Middle East.
While 20 thooooussssannnnd may seem big over the annualized rate of 2.56 million jobs it is literally a rounding error. (0.07%).
Here in Canada our present government is just as happy to pretend that 700 pipeline jobs would make a difference when job growth is nearly 10,000. It makes it a lot easier to sell an ideology when you overstate its benefits
it is more green to ship by train ? 1] fuel burn by engines 2] spill 25 times more per barrel/mile 3] more green to warren buffet [owns bnsf] 4] canada to build pipeline to pacific [who owns enbridge?]
Cube: Pipelines running from Washington state to California have for decades shipped refined gasoline back and forth, using northern refineries part of the year, and southern ones at different times. Ocean-going tankers also ship refined products, including gasoline, diesel, heating oil, and other byproducts from refineries, all the time.
The fact is that most jobs will go to Canadians. There will be some American jobs related to maintenance and safety, which, as we have seen in the oil industry, is a very low priority.
The Keystone pipeline is just another thing to fight over that will have almost no consequence to the American economy. Except that taxpayers will help to employ the clean-up crews who will inevitably be required, since Congress passed a law that says that anyone who spills shale crude is exempt from environmental responsibility. Ask those people in Arkansas who had that oil streaming down the neighborhood streets who cleaned it up…. (Hint: it wasn’t Exxon. They didn’t spend a dime.)
You lost me at http://www.foxnews.com.I thought you might have had a real news source.in any case, you won’t hear there about the pipeline that is actually being constructed that got caught with improper welds that have to be completely redone because they would have leaked.
moosemin almost 10 years ago
Henry, have you read ANYTHING about the waste from shale oil crude, and from the heavy crude from the oil sands? If that pipeline goes through, then Louisiana will have a BIG problem on its hand! Yes, long-term TEMPORARY jobs will result, but great risks and other environmental difficulties will be with us for a long time. As usual, a few will add big profits to their already billion+ accounts.
Jason Allen almost 10 years ago
If the Republicans were actually concerned with those 20,000 temporary jobs, they’d consent to spend the money on repairing the roads and bridges that comprise our crumbling infrastructure.
Theodore E. Lind Premium Member almost 10 years ago
I think we should built it because the Canadians are going to get their oil to the international market with or without us. It is just a matter of the US getting some benefit in jobs, perhaps new US refineries on the Gulf coast and some influence over the process. The light, sweet crude from US fracking could drive down international crude prices and end up reducing the price of gas in the good old US. Not to mention less political dependence on all those rational people in the Middle East.
Quipss almost 10 years ago
Phun Phact: Average monthly job growth is a little over 213 thousand jobs.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth
While 20 thooooussssannnnd may seem big over the annualized rate of 2.56 million jobs it is literally a rounding error. (0.07%).
Here in Canada our present government is just as happy to pretend that 700 pipeline jobs would make a difference when job growth is nearly 10,000. It makes it a lot easier to sell an ideology when you overstate its benefits
oneoldhat almost 10 years ago
it is more green to ship by train ? 1] fuel burn by engines 2] spill 25 times more per barrel/mile 3] more green to warren buffet [owns bnsf] 4] canada to build pipeline to pacific [who owns enbridge?]
Dtroutma almost 10 years ago
Cube: Pipelines running from Washington state to California have for decades shipped refined gasoline back and forth, using northern refineries part of the year, and southern ones at different times. Ocean-going tankers also ship refined products, including gasoline, diesel, heating oil, and other byproducts from refineries, all the time.
I Play One On TV almost 10 years ago
Only 20,000 jobs? Mitt Romney promised MILLIONS.
The fact is that most jobs will go to Canadians. There will be some American jobs related to maintenance and safety, which, as we have seen in the oil industry, is a very low priority.
The Keystone pipeline is just another thing to fight over that will have almost no consequence to the American economy. Except that taxpayers will help to employ the clean-up crews who will inevitably be required, since Congress passed a law that says that anyone who spills shale crude is exempt from environmental responsibility. Ask those people in Arkansas who had that oil streaming down the neighborhood streets who cleaned it up…. (Hint: it wasn’t Exxon. They didn’t spend a dime.)
moosemin almost 10 years ago
There ARE piles of by-product refuse outside Detroit, from Koch-owned companies. (Time magazine, a few weeks ago)
kaffekup almost 10 years ago
You lost me at http://www.foxnews.com.I thought you might have had a real news source.in any case, you won’t hear there about the pipeline that is actually being constructed that got caught with improper welds that have to be completely redone because they would have leaked.