Tigger, I agree with every word you typed. I, too, remember all those deals of the past. And more, the dictator of Panama is in jail when the CIA turned on him.
Hey, churchill, can you come up with something a little more coherent and reasoned than an ad hominem attack? I can explain that term if you like.
It’s rather well documented that the neocons were hoping to use Iraq as a stable base for oil production in the Middle East. They suggested it to Bush the Elder, who was smart enough internationally to turn it down. He knew it was a bogus idea based on a lot of fantasy assumptions.
Incidentally, one of the other reasons we went after Saddam the first time on behalf of the repressive monarchy in Kuwait (freedom! Yeah, right), is because Iraq and Kuwait essentially share the same oil dome, and Iraq was pumping more than its share.
It is well documented that there was a plan on the table to remove Sadaam Hussein and share in Iraqi oil resources within the first 30 days of Bush 43’s presidency. (It’s in every book written by a journalist about Bush’s presidency and actions after 9/11. It’s also in the book written by his own cabinet member who was in the room and read the document, Paul O’Neill.)
Bush 43 rejected the plan at first, and when it was being pushed yet again immediately following 9/11, Bush 43 rejected it again, saying he wouldn’t use 9/11 as an excuse to depose Hussein. Gradually, Bush 43 came to accept the exhortations of the Rumsfeld/Cheny clique and decided to invade Iraq. And I’m sure there are at least some of you who remember that that same clique convinced the Bush administration it would be a quick war (we don’t do quagmires, Rumsfeld joked), we would b e greeted as liberators, we could help install someone partial to U.S. and would have more control over their oil.
All facts, all confirmed by multiple people within the administration, all available in reporters’ book with citations and evidence galore.
Thanks, bcs. As I remember, GHW Bush referred to it in his memoirs as well, with an extremely veiled implication that his son was therefore an idiot for following the neocons.
I didn’t read Bush 41 memoir think I’ll take a look at it
BTW, I bought and read Clinton’s memoir and thought it was boring and had little insight. Neither bought nor read Hillary’s memoir after reading the reviews. Didn’t seem worth the time nor money.
(i thought I posted a comment here, but didn’t show up, so hope it doesn’t duplicate later)
deadheadzan almost 15 years ago
Tigger, I agree with every word you typed. I, too, remember all those deals of the past. And more, the dictator of Panama is in jail when the CIA turned on him.
charliekane almost 15 years ago
Myyy…brainnn…hurrrts!
-Prof Gumby.
Motivemagus almost 15 years ago
Hey, churchill, can you come up with something a little more coherent and reasoned than an ad hominem attack? I can explain that term if you like. It’s rather well documented that the neocons were hoping to use Iraq as a stable base for oil production in the Middle East. They suggested it to Bush the Elder, who was smart enough internationally to turn it down. He knew it was a bogus idea based on a lot of fantasy assumptions. Incidentally, one of the other reasons we went after Saddam the first time on behalf of the repressive monarchy in Kuwait (freedom! Yeah, right), is because Iraq and Kuwait essentially share the same oil dome, and Iraq was pumping more than its share.
believecommonsense almost 15 years ago
It is well documented that there was a plan on the table to remove Sadaam Hussein and share in Iraqi oil resources within the first 30 days of Bush 43’s presidency. (It’s in every book written by a journalist about Bush’s presidency and actions after 9/11. It’s also in the book written by his own cabinet member who was in the room and read the document, Paul O’Neill.)
Bush 43 rejected the plan at first, and when it was being pushed yet again immediately following 9/11, Bush 43 rejected it again, saying he wouldn’t use 9/11 as an excuse to depose Hussein. Gradually, Bush 43 came to accept the exhortations of the Rumsfeld/Cheny clique and decided to invade Iraq. And I’m sure there are at least some of you who remember that that same clique convinced the Bush administration it would be a quick war (we don’t do quagmires, Rumsfeld joked), we would b e greeted as liberators, we could help install someone partial to U.S. and would have more control over their oil.
All facts, all confirmed by multiple people within the administration, all available in reporters’ book with citations and evidence galore.
Motivemagus almost 15 years ago
Thanks, bcs. As I remember, GHW Bush referred to it in his memoirs as well, with an extremely veiled implication that his son was therefore an idiot for following the neocons.
believecommonsense almost 15 years ago
I didn’t read Bush 41 memoir think I’ll take a look at it
BTW, I bought and read Clinton’s memoir and thought it was boring and had little insight. Neither bought nor read Hillary’s memoir after reading the reviews. Didn’t seem worth the time nor money.
(i thought I posted a comment here, but didn’t show up, so hope it doesn’t duplicate later)
charliekane almost 15 years ago
Bob Woodward’s “Plan of Attack” covers well the delusions, deficiencies and dumb assedness of the Bush administration regarding the Iraq war.
Motivemagus almost 15 years ago
ANandy, just because the Iraqis didn’t sell it to us didn’t mean that wasn’t the plan. It just went awry like every other part of the neocon’s plans.
lalas almost 15 years ago
It wasn’t oil… check with PNAC for the real reasons they invaded Iraq.
charliekane almost 15 years ago
Nandy kinda leaves ya with that feeling.