The PNAC folks had the invasion of Iraq planned before “W” even took office, Afghanistan was just an “inconvenient side-step”, that they killed a lot of folks with, but didn’t get the guys responsible for 9/11. Then they dreamed up WMDs that everyone knew didn’t exist in viable form, but anyone crossing the PNAC folks was a “traitor” (hmm, there’s some AIPAC influence there as well.).
Obama followed yes, the reduction in force policy from "W"s time, but when he did, all the repubtards like Ramirez say that it’s suddenly all wrong?
Al Qaeda surged in numbers, and came into existing at all in Iraq, as a result of "W"’s running of the wars. Gates was part of that, and the real, total, and absolute “politics” and screwup, was invading EITHER country with huge numbers of troops to replace the regimes in the first place, PERIOD!
My friends and family were "W"’s sacrificial lambs, either dead or disabled for life, and yes BUSH DID IT!
Interesting that the same folks who didn’t blame Nixon for running Viet Nam longer than LBJ, are the same ones blaming Obama for getting us OUT of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Oh, right, he’s now cooking up more sacrificial lambs because he has NOT started a war with Iran, that so many repubtards (term used to apply to a specific sub-group of greedheads, chidkenhawks, and moronic supporters) are stoking for???
First person who can prove we have a right or responsibility under law, U.S. or international, to run Afghanistan, Iraq, or Iran, may take the floor.
When you use such terms as libtroll you lose all credibility. The worst term I have ever used (to my knowledge) is ultra conservative, and that is only telling the truth about many here, and is not meant as a hate term at all. In fact in some areas (such as crime) I am just as ultra conservative as most such on these boards I am against the death penalty only because it is so permanent, and it is not enough punishment for some crimes, life in prison without the possibility of ever being paroled is a far harsher punishment anyway. I would guess by your reasoning that makes me hateful against extreme criminals!!
Thanks for the vote of confidence, on this site that iS deeply appreciated! But you know, cubefarmer’s remarks are just the classic definition of the remarks of an internet troll. That is, remarks designed to inspire nothing but anger in others!! I must admit, that to me at least, he did at least somewhat succeed!!
" Bush didn’t start anything. But he was determined to end it."-Putting a “Mission Accomplished” banner on an aircraft carrier isn’t evidence that the was determined to end anything. What did he plan on ending? War? Strife? Arabs? Hatred of the U.S.A.? You claim that he wanted to end something, but don’t state WHAT he wanted to end, or point to any plans made as to HOW he intended to end it. No, he seemed to me to be more of an ADD-addled warrior, starting more conflicts before resolutions of current ones were in place. I hope his wandering interests are more suited to his current hobby of painting.
Obama also was in charge of the party that had control of the government. He had plenty of opportunity to try to do something about it. Also, and probably more damning, is the fact he continued some of the policies that Bush saddled him with. Did Bush leave a mess? Yes. But Obama just laid down and wallowed in it.
But let’s leave that aside. Has it occured to you that your argument is that there is someone more awful than Obama? So what if there is or is not? Obama is still a bad president. His rank of suck is at best a statistical issue. Or is that reality too simplistic for you?
piobaire over 10 years ago
Excellent questions!
Jason Allen over 10 years ago
Is Ramirez suggesting we stay and sacrifice more “lambs”?
frodo1008 over 10 years ago
And your name calling and obvious hatred of anyone to theeft of such as Rush Limbaugh is somehow going OT solve all of our problems?
warjoski Premium Member over 10 years ago
Bush started the wars. Obama continued them. Even after winning the Nobel Peace Prize. Let’s face facts. They’re both terrible presidents.
josefw over 10 years ago
The health department should shut that kitchen down!
Dtroutma over 10 years ago
The PNAC folks had the invasion of Iraq planned before “W” even took office, Afghanistan was just an “inconvenient side-step”, that they killed a lot of folks with, but didn’t get the guys responsible for 9/11. Then they dreamed up WMDs that everyone knew didn’t exist in viable form, but anyone crossing the PNAC folks was a “traitor” (hmm, there’s some AIPAC influence there as well.).
Obama followed yes, the reduction in force policy from "W"s time, but when he did, all the repubtards like Ramirez say that it’s suddenly all wrong?
Al Qaeda surged in numbers, and came into existing at all in Iraq, as a result of "W"’s running of the wars. Gates was part of that, and the real, total, and absolute “politics” and screwup, was invading EITHER country with huge numbers of troops to replace the regimes in the first place, PERIOD!
My friends and family were "W"’s sacrificial lambs, either dead or disabled for life, and yes BUSH DID IT!
Interesting that the same folks who didn’t blame Nixon for running Viet Nam longer than LBJ, are the same ones blaming Obama for getting us OUT of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Oh, right, he’s now cooking up more sacrificial lambs because he has NOT started a war with Iran, that so many repubtards (term used to apply to a specific sub-group of greedheads, chidkenhawks, and moronic supporters) are stoking for???
First person who can prove we have a right or responsibility under law, U.S. or international, to run Afghanistan, Iraq, or Iran, may take the floor.
oneoldhat over 10 years ago
overtaxed barry soetoro will run in 2016
frodo1008 over 10 years ago
When you use such terms as libtroll you lose all credibility. The worst term I have ever used (to my knowledge) is ultra conservative, and that is only telling the truth about many here, and is not meant as a hate term at all. In fact in some areas (such as crime) I am just as ultra conservative as most such on these boards I am against the death penalty only because it is so permanent, and it is not enough punishment for some crimes, life in prison without the possibility of ever being paroled is a far harsher punishment anyway. I would guess by your reasoning that makes me hateful against extreme criminals!!
frodo1008 over 10 years ago
Thanks for the vote of confidence, on this site that iS deeply appreciated! But you know, cubefarmer’s remarks are just the classic definition of the remarks of an internet troll. That is, remarks designed to inspire nothing but anger in others!! I must admit, that to me at least, he did at least somewhat succeed!!
CasualBrowser over 10 years ago
" Bush didn’t start anything. But he was determined to end it."-Putting a “Mission Accomplished” banner on an aircraft carrier isn’t evidence that the was determined to end anything. What did he plan on ending? War? Strife? Arabs? Hatred of the U.S.A.? You claim that he wanted to end something, but don’t state WHAT he wanted to end, or point to any plans made as to HOW he intended to end it. No, he seemed to me to be more of an ADD-addled warrior, starting more conflicts before resolutions of current ones were in place. I hope his wandering interests are more suited to his current hobby of painting.
Dtroutma over 10 years ago
Robert: “cube” is just the square root of zero.
warjoski Premium Member over 10 years ago
Obama also was in charge of the party that had control of the government. He had plenty of opportunity to try to do something about it. Also, and probably more damning, is the fact he continued some of the policies that Bush saddled him with. Did Bush leave a mess? Yes. But Obama just laid down and wallowed in it.
But let’s leave that aside. Has it occured to you that your argument is that there is someone more awful than Obama? So what if there is or is not? Obama is still a bad president. His rank of suck is at best a statistical issue. Or is that reality too simplistic for you?