Nice deflection David. New York is a rarity in that rates there were already particularly high and they will fall some… Not nearly as much as your little picture shows but some (about 14% on average).Unfortunately, the vast majority of people across the US will see an average 24% INCREASE in their premium costs under Obamacare.That doesn’t include that you likely won’t be able to get or keep the insurance you have or want, won’t be able to see the medical provider(s) you want, and basically do much of anything else Obama lied about before this porker of an insult to America was passed.
1. I was fooled by the article the first time I read it too. The article states that the rates are lower than expected. Not lower than previous years. 2. Many of the comparisons are for people who currently pay. It doesn’t take into account those who didn’t have to who now do. And finally, 3. constant sources are comparing to rates to current year, without considering that many companies have seen up to 40% increases in the last 2 years in anticipation of Obamacare. I haven’t seen any sources that don’t want to pad the numbers one way or the other.
Of course, there’s Option D: it’s a success in the same way that social security (there are very few aged folks living in poverty anymore) and Medicare (old people get pretty good health care with little fraud) are.
Given the Republicans crazy about this, I’d bet on D!
I’m with Harolynne: option D seems likely (remember that Social Security and Medicare were controversial when passed, but who would kill them now — or decline to accept them in their declining years?)
rockngolfer over 10 years ago
You people are terrified that Obamacare will be a success, which it will be.
wbezemek over 10 years ago
Things will be better in health care once the gov is running it. Look at Amtrak and the US Post Office. Not!
Enoki over 10 years ago
Nice deflection David. New York is a rarity in that rates there were already particularly high and they will fall some… Not nearly as much as your little picture shows but some (about 14% on average).Unfortunately, the vast majority of people across the US will see an average 24% INCREASE in their premium costs under Obamacare.That doesn’t include that you likely won’t be able to get or keep the insurance you have or want, won’t be able to see the medical provider(s) you want, and basically do much of anything else Obama lied about before this porker of an insult to America was passed.
woodwork over 10 years ago
and what is wrong with government mandated healthcare?gly The VA is exactly that, and though ponderous, it worksamazingly well.
Enoki over 10 years ago
Fine, there’s a source. Use the interactive map too. The bulk of the states are seeing increases in policy costs.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/04/interactive-map-in-13-states-plus-d-c-individual-health-premiums-will-increase-by-an-average-of-24/
Enoki over 10 years ago
That is very big of you to admit that. I thank you for your candor and for the polite discussion you have made better by it.
Thank you.
Dr Lou Premium Member over 10 years ago
It won’t collapse under its own weight….don’t worry, Steve. It will, hopefully,ultimately lead instead to a single payer national health care plan.
Bob Smith over 10 years ago
1. I was fooled by the article the first time I read it too. The article states that the rates are lower than expected. Not lower than previous years. 2. Many of the comparisons are for people who currently pay. It doesn’t take into account those who didn’t have to who now do. And finally, 3. constant sources are comparing to rates to current year, without considering that many companies have seen up to 40% increases in the last 2 years in anticipation of Obamacare. I haven’t seen any sources that don’t want to pad the numbers one way or the other.
Harolynne Premium Member over 10 years ago
Of course, there’s Option D: it’s a success in the same way that social security (there are very few aged folks living in poverty anymore) and Medicare (old people get pretty good health care with little fraud) are.
Given the Republicans crazy about this, I’d bet on D!
dgcaskey over 10 years ago
I’m with Harolynne: option D seems likely (remember that Social Security and Medicare were controversial when passed, but who would kill them now — or decline to accept them in their declining years?)