Friday night’s Rachel Maddow Show had a very good segment on how, when and where this all began. Since she, like most intelligent Americans, considers this overbroad investigation to be an overreach, even Conservatives may find her story to be informative and valid.I try to avoid using liberal sources as they usually draw the same scathing opinions that the use of conservative sources draw from liberals. This first segment was good and even objective.^http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#52139801^Respectfully,C.
The predecessor to all this, Echelon, has been talked about for years. Conservatives love to talk “small government”, but continually give government more power, then are “outraged” when a Dem uses THEIR legislation in the name of “National Security”. I suppose those that voted for the Patriot Act expected a Repub to succeed Bush II?
I am now presumed guilty. With the amount of laws today, it is impossible to stay “legal”, therefore my government may surveil me.
The US Constitution, 4th Amendment (1791)The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated; and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized.
Just a wee small point as well: the information NSA has been gathering is the property of VERIZON, not the “individual”. Same for any other providers. There as some FCC rules, as well as what folks sign in those cell phone, internet, or Apple/Microsoft contracts, on computer use of their software, even Kindle content access belongs to Amazon, not the purchaser of their products. FISA authorized access (to Bush and Obama administrations) to content that belongs to corporations. (Gee, with “Citizens United”, those are “persons” too!)
And if the “provider class” really “provided”, we wouldn’t have socialist ideology. And I don’t consider the crumbs your so-called providers “provide” to be providing!
chazandru almost 11 years ago
Friday night’s Rachel Maddow Show had a very good segment on how, when and where this all began. Since she, like most intelligent Americans, considers this overbroad investigation to be an overreach, even Conservatives may find her story to be informative and valid.I try to avoid using liberal sources as they usually draw the same scathing opinions that the use of conservative sources draw from liberals. This first segment was good and even objective.^http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#52139801^Respectfully,C.
PepeLePew2010 almost 11 years ago
Glad I don’t live in the USA
edward thomas Premium Member almost 11 years ago
The predecessor to all this, Echelon, has been talked about for years. Conservatives love to talk “small government”, but continually give government more power, then are “outraged” when a Dem uses THEIR legislation in the name of “National Security”. I suppose those that voted for the Patriot Act expected a Repub to succeed Bush II?
donotemailme almost 11 years ago
I am now presumed guilty. With the amount of laws today, it is impossible to stay “legal”, therefore my government may surveil me.
The US Constitution, 4th Amendment (1791)The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated; and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized.
Dtroutma almost 11 years ago
Just a wee small point as well: the information NSA has been gathering is the property of VERIZON, not the “individual”. Same for any other providers. There as some FCC rules, as well as what folks sign in those cell phone, internet, or Apple/Microsoft contracts, on computer use of their software, even Kindle content access belongs to Amazon, not the purchaser of their products. FISA authorized access (to Bush and Obama administrations) to content that belongs to corporations. (Gee, with “Citizens United”, those are “persons” too!)
edward thomas Premium Member almost 11 years ago
And if the “provider class” really “provided”, we wouldn’t have socialist ideology. And I don’t consider the crumbs your so-called providers “provide” to be providing!