If you think Citizens United was bad just think how terrible the 1st Amendment is. Everybody actually thinks they have the right to voice their opinion. We must send the FBI to harass them and the IRS toi audit them and Justice to go through their emails. Only Soros can spend millions because he is good.
In the mythology, after all of the evil had escaped Pandora’s box, they looked inside and saw one last battered spirit… the spirit of Hope.The Pandora’s box opened by Citizen’s United is empty of hope, but full of greed.When corporations can be sent to jail for crimes I’ll believe that corporations are people too. In the meantime, this ruling makes it less likely “job creators” will use their money to help our economy because they’ll want to use it to elect whoever will give their company the most of what it wants.This is not the way to run a civil society.Respectfully,C.
You guys are aware, of course, that of all the organizations sent the SAME EXACT LETTER that the Tea Party received, the only organization to actually have it’s tax-exempt status revoked was a liberal one? Not exactly a leftist witch hunt if they punish only those on the left…
You’re right, now I’m going to go drive in my uninsured unlicensed car.
Obamacare was a half dream based on distorted perceptions of a free market version of healthcare. The main implication is that the provider gets to charge an arm and a leg
I have a friend who lived in Minnesota at the time Jesse “The Body” Ventura won the governorship as an independent. I asked him how he won, and he told me it was campaign-finance reform. He noted that it was determined that no one can ensure how much money a candidate gets from whom, so the state set it up to allow a maximum that the candidate is able to SPEND.
TV time, newspaper ads, everything that costs is verifiable. So, no matter what amount of money you have in your war chest, you can only spend up to the maximum. If you have money left over, you can apply it to your next campaign, or donate it to another candidate’s campaign.
This has the added bonus of reducing your “dependence” on certain lobbyists. The idea of giving a candidate more money to “solidify” his/her position just doesn’t work in that application.
Back to the ’toon: Citizens United was truly the low point in the history of the Supreme Court.
I agree completely with that. As a Canadian, I want to be able to go to the US at any time for medical treatment and not having to worry about poor sick Americans lying in MY bed.
Interesting. One poster contests that the IRS made endless calls to the Tea Party, the other says the Tea Party made the calls to the IRS that were not returned. The contradiction makes both stories dubious.
David called it right, and the grounds ARE in the Constitution relative to those appointments that are NOT actually “for life”, but for “while on good behavior”. He simply names the ones whose behavior has by and large NOT been “good”.
Which, Jefferson and most of the signers put in the amendment process precisely so it COULD be a “living document” able to keep up with the “times”, and changes in culture and even science and technology.(Franklin and Jefferson, among others, were indeed more into science and fact than phony theologies.)
They would NOT have seen “free speech” as dependent upon owning or controlling a printing press for money called “corporate personhood”, or an ability to BUY Congress.
And we better not have the IRS (or any other gubmint agency) investigating or even asking the “wrong” questions about any of it.
Meanwhile, it’s perfectly ok to have millions of our tax dollars paying for endless investigations looking for that impeachable “gotcha” moment — like getting somebody to lie about an affair.
the USSC decision restored the First Amendment Rights to political citizens who decide to form a group to use Free Speech that costs money.-Our Founders would applaud the decision.-The worst anti-constitution IRS is guilty of overstepping authority by trying to micro-manage citizens thoughts, beliefs, opinions and IRS even tried to get “confessions” of what the applicants Prayed For!-No IRS ever tried what Obama’s and Holder’s IRS has actually done, and has claimed they did nothing “wrong”…And the perps should be prosecuted and jailed IMO.
chromosome Premium Member almost 11 years ago
One of the worst decisions made by the Supreme court EVER!
ConserveGov almost 11 years ago
Just ban unions from donating to campaigns and we’ll be fine.
Libertarian1 almost 11 years ago
If you think Citizens United was bad just think how terrible the 1st Amendment is. Everybody actually thinks they have the right to voice their opinion. We must send the FBI to harass them and the IRS toi audit them and Justice to go through their emails. Only Soros can spend millions because he is good.
chazandru almost 11 years ago
In the mythology, after all of the evil had escaped Pandora’s box, they looked inside and saw one last battered spirit… the spirit of Hope.The Pandora’s box opened by Citizen’s United is empty of hope, but full of greed.When corporations can be sent to jail for crimes I’ll believe that corporations are people too. In the meantime, this ruling makes it less likely “job creators” will use their money to help our economy because they’ll want to use it to elect whoever will give their company the most of what it wants.This is not the way to run a civil society.Respectfully,C.
Fourcrows almost 11 years ago
Harley and Onguard,
You guys are aware, of course, that of all the organizations sent the SAME EXACT LETTER that the Tea Party received, the only organization to actually have it’s tax-exempt status revoked was a liberal one? Not exactly a leftist witch hunt if they punish only those on the left…
ossiningaling almost 11 years ago
Secret money? I’m shocked!
Quipss almost 11 years ago
You’re right, now I’m going to go drive in my uninsured unlicensed car.
Obamacare was a half dream based on distorted perceptions of a free market version of healthcare. The main implication is that the provider gets to charge an arm and a leg
Quipss almost 11 years ago
When private money is removed and replaced by public money their should be no bar to get on the ballot.
I Play One On TV almost 11 years ago
I have a friend who lived in Minnesota at the time Jesse “The Body” Ventura won the governorship as an independent. I asked him how he won, and he told me it was campaign-finance reform. He noted that it was determined that no one can ensure how much money a candidate gets from whom, so the state set it up to allow a maximum that the candidate is able to SPEND.
TV time, newspaper ads, everything that costs is verifiable. So, no matter what amount of money you have in your war chest, you can only spend up to the maximum. If you have money left over, you can apply it to your next campaign, or donate it to another candidate’s campaign.
This has the added bonus of reducing your “dependence” on certain lobbyists. The idea of giving a candidate more money to “solidify” his/her position just doesn’t work in that application.
Back to the ’toon: Citizens United was truly the low point in the history of the Supreme Court.
yusodum almost 11 years ago
I agree completely with that. As a Canadian, I want to be able to go to the US at any time for medical treatment and not having to worry about poor sick Americans lying in MY bed.
Fourcrows almost 11 years ago
Interesting. One poster contests that the IRS made endless calls to the Tea Party, the other says the Tea Party made the calls to the IRS that were not returned. The contradiction makes both stories dubious.
Dtroutma almost 11 years ago
David called it right, and the grounds ARE in the Constitution relative to those appointments that are NOT actually “for life”, but for “while on good behavior”. He simply names the ones whose behavior has by and large NOT been “good”.
Which, Jefferson and most of the signers put in the amendment process precisely so it COULD be a “living document” able to keep up with the “times”, and changes in culture and even science and technology.(Franklin and Jefferson, among others, were indeed more into science and fact than phony theologies.)
They would NOT have seen “free speech” as dependent upon owning or controlling a printing press for money called “corporate personhood”, or an ability to BUY Congress.
lindz.coop Premium Member almost 11 years ago
And we better not have the IRS (or any other gubmint agency) investigating or even asking the “wrong” questions about any of it.
Meanwhile, it’s perfectly ok to have millions of our tax dollars paying for endless investigations looking for that impeachable “gotcha” moment — like getting somebody to lie about an affair.
disgustedtaxpayer almost 11 years ago
the USSC decision restored the First Amendment Rights to political citizens who decide to form a group to use Free Speech that costs money.-Our Founders would applaud the decision.-The worst anti-constitution IRS is guilty of overstepping authority by trying to micro-manage citizens thoughts, beliefs, opinions and IRS even tried to get “confessions” of what the applicants Prayed For!-No IRS ever tried what Obama’s and Holder’s IRS has actually done, and has claimed they did nothing “wrong”…And the perps should be prosecuted and jailed IMO.