And so, pushed to the periphery by mainstream culture, its lifestyle adherents were forced to seek solace, self-affirmation & companionship in secret...
Homophobe Bar
“Half of what he says means something else, and the other half means nothing at all!”
“He talks nonsense.”“He also talks to himself.”“But not nonsense.”“True. He talks sense to himself, and talks nonsense not to himself.”“So there you have it.”“Stark raving sane.”
“We have had gay bars for a long time, but how about some redneck-bars, complete with the straw and the DD-girls and the fighting and the no-gays-allowed-in-here signs?”
Apart from the “no-gays-allowed-in-here signs” (do your gay bars have “no straights allowed” signs? How are they enforced?), I would imagine you could find one near any German town near where U.S. Servicemen are stationed. A large proportion of them are Good Ol’ Boys.
If not, you might consider opening one. I’m sure you’d find there’s a market. :-)
Har!Note that a “phobia” is an irrational fear. Since it is, by definition, irrational, one should not base laws upon it. And in some cases, “homophobe” is merely dignifying the actual state of affairs, which is “bigotry.”
Yes, but “matrimony” dead-ends at Latin mater, “mother.” “Marry” (it didn’t occur to me to look this up yesterday after “marriage”, although of course I figured “marire” would have a Latin origin) dead-ends in maritus, “married.” There’s no suggestion of an etymological link between “mater” and “maritus”; it isn’t out of the question (although the abscence of a “t” in marire may be significant), but they might be as much “false cognates” as “maritime” or “martial” (which come from mare, “sea” and Mars, “war,” respectively).
Yes, Latin is a dead language, but the aspect of the “same-sex marriage” debate under discussion here is the word “marriage”, and whether the religious aspect has any precedence over the civil aspect. For that, it’s useful to see where the word comes from…
While we’re on the subject, I looked up “wed”, which passed through Old English wedd, “pledge,” Old High German wetti, and Gothic wadi, to end up at the Latin vad- and vas, meaning “bond or security.” Gay or straight, a “wedded couple” has exchanged a pledge. A “married couple” is, well, “married.”
To return and expand on your Humpty Dumpty reference (I’d have followed with a Python quote, but I couldn’t think of a fitting one), is the question whether you can make one word mean so many things? No, the question is who is to be master. That’s the end.
The world is passing them by…AWWWWWW; but what do you expect from people who refuse to look at realities and have no sense of logic? They refused the idea of Global warming for so long that it became impossible to do anything to stop it! And how many of the Republican Presidential candidates said they believe the earth is only 6000 years old? They should all have been disqualified immediately…but the only reasonable choice was Obama. Can you imagine how bad it would be if McCain and Palin had won? The Mad Hatter and the Queen of Hearts (all heart, no brains!)
I should also add that if you find heterosexuality boring, you may be doing it wrong (cf. Woody Allen: “Is sex dirty?” “Only if you’re doing it right”). I’m straight, and my sexuality is boring, but I don’t see it as “cause and effect.”
I also know gay people with boring sexualities, and straight people who are “thrill a minute.” Needless to say, homosexuals have the right to be as boring as heterosexuals, and with luck we’re moving towards a day where, when one person hears that another’s sexuality is boring, the default assumption won’t be “Must be straight…”
It also remains true that some churches are already performing same-sex marriages, whether the state in which they are located recognizes them or not. No religion has any right to prohibit another religion from free exercise, even LESS SO than civil government does. So regardless of whether there are, were, or ever will be different words for civil marriage and religious marriage, same-sex couples will be among both.
cjr53 about 11 years ago
Gee, and the police can come and raid the place from time to time and haul all of those present to jail for some sort of morals law.
Jason Allen about 11 years ago
Say hello to Larry Craig, Carl Kruger, Mark Foley, Ted Haggard, and Marcus Bachmann for me!
Fuzzy Thinker Premium Member about 11 years ago
‘Mainstream Culture’ ????The TOONist is Loony.The tail is wagging the dog.
susanwobb about 11 years ago
Yes, good, Don’t Ask Don’t Tell for homophobes. If you can’t get along with gay folks, keep it to yourself.
Ketira about 11 years ago
You’ve been saying this so much that it’s bordering on Spam..Is your mind always on one track, boy?
fritzoid Premium Member about 11 years ago
“Half of what he says means something else, and the other half means nothing at all!”
“He talks nonsense.”“He also talks to himself.”“But not nonsense.”“True. He talks sense to himself, and talks nonsense not to himself.”“So there you have it.”“Stark raving sane.”
Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead (both)
fritzoid Premium Member about 11 years ago
“We have had gay bars for a long time, but how about some redneck-bars, complete with the straw and the DD-girls and the fighting and the no-gays-allowed-in-here signs?”
Apart from the “no-gays-allowed-in-here signs” (do your gay bars have “no straights allowed” signs? How are they enforced?), I would imagine you could find one near any German town near where U.S. Servicemen are stationed. A large proportion of them are Good Ol’ Boys.
If not, you might consider opening one. I’m sure you’d find there’s a market. :-)
echoraven about 11 years ago
Brilliant.
Motivemagus about 11 years ago
Har!Note that a “phobia” is an irrational fear. Since it is, by definition, irrational, one should not base laws upon it. And in some cases, “homophobe” is merely dignifying the actual state of affairs, which is “bigotry.”
fritzoid Premium Member about 11 years ago
Yes, but “matrimony” dead-ends at Latin mater, “mother.” “Marry” (it didn’t occur to me to look this up yesterday after “marriage”, although of course I figured “marire” would have a Latin origin) dead-ends in maritus, “married.” There’s no suggestion of an etymological link between “mater” and “maritus”; it isn’t out of the question (although the abscence of a “t” in marire may be significant), but they might be as much “false cognates” as “maritime” or “martial” (which come from mare, “sea” and Mars, “war,” respectively).
Yes, Latin is a dead language, but the aspect of the “same-sex marriage” debate under discussion here is the word “marriage”, and whether the religious aspect has any precedence over the civil aspect. For that, it’s useful to see where the word comes from…
While we’re on the subject, I looked up “wed”, which passed through Old English wedd, “pledge,” Old High German wetti, and Gothic wadi, to end up at the Latin vad- and vas, meaning “bond or security.” Gay or straight, a “wedded couple” has exchanged a pledge. A “married couple” is, well, “married.”
To return and expand on your Humpty Dumpty reference (I’d have followed with a Python quote, but I couldn’t think of a fitting one), is the question whether you can make one word mean so many things? No, the question is who is to be master. That’s the end.
Pogostiks Premium Member about 11 years ago
The world is passing them by…AWWWWWW; but what do you expect from people who refuse to look at realities and have no sense of logic? They refused the idea of Global warming for so long that it became impossible to do anything to stop it! And how many of the Republican Presidential candidates said they believe the earth is only 6000 years old? They should all have been disqualified immediately…but the only reasonable choice was Obama. Can you imagine how bad it would be if McCain and Palin had won? The Mad Hatter and the Queen of Hearts (all heart, no brains!)
fritzoid Premium Member about 11 years ago
I should also add that if you find heterosexuality boring, you may be doing it wrong (cf. Woody Allen: “Is sex dirty?” “Only if you’re doing it right”). I’m straight, and my sexuality is boring, but I don’t see it as “cause and effect.”
I also know gay people with boring sexualities, and straight people who are “thrill a minute.” Needless to say, homosexuals have the right to be as boring as heterosexuals, and with luck we’re moving towards a day where, when one person hears that another’s sexuality is boring, the default assumption won’t be “Must be straight…”
fritzoid Premium Member about 11 years ago
It also remains true that some churches are already performing same-sex marriages, whether the state in which they are located recognizes them or not. No religion has any right to prohibit another religion from free exercise, even LESS SO than civil government does. So regardless of whether there are, were, or ever will be different words for civil marriage and religious marriage, same-sex couples will be among both.