Joel Pett for December 15, 2009

The flat earth crowd: votes against their self interest.

Clean water? Who needs that? I’ve got a purifier at home.

Clean air? BAH! I’ve got an oxygen tank on my back!

Cancer? That’s why I got that expensive health care plan…oh wait you’re not covering me anymore? It’s all the liberals fault!

^HA

^You do the exact same thing. If I were to find every post you made, I can probably trace it back to some Glen Beck or Sean hannity special. You are just as mindless and a parrot because you are just as idiotic and insecure as the rest of the planet, except that what you expouse has little to no factual basis what so ever. You are like 9/11 deniers, delusional brought on my an irrational hatred towards who ever is in charge.

It’s a lie, but it is an important lie.

Some people wouldn’t recognize trouble if it bit them on the butt. They squibble over who has labled it correctly while in reality the enviroment needs looking after reguardless of how how rightious or money hungry you are.

Harley I dont think that was the point he was making at all. He was restating a point he has made several times before that there has been in recorded history many instances of man destroying his environment to his own detriment. What that is meant to show is not evidence for or against climate change, but rather that man is not capable of seeing their mistakes until it is clearly too late. The system is based on incentives and currently there is a false premise that there is incentives for us to change when it gets bad enough, however, since we are dealing with a massive system, we wont notice the changes until it is far far too late. Also, global warming AND global cooling are elements of climate change. What climate change is trying to explain is that because of excessive release of pollutants and green house gases, in conjunction with deforestation, increases in desertification and ecosystem destruction, just to name a few, all work together to throw off the balance in which nature operates. Let me give you a simple example of how this change is global and affecting people. In the carribean, asthma rates have been on the constant increase, however pollution and air purity has not changed, and has even improved in some cases as a result of economic decline after the cold war period. So in fact we should see a DECLINE in asthma, but we dont. Well what is happening is that excessive CO2 release and pollution in general in India cause more heat to be trapped in the Indian Ocean. That temperature rise causes the north atlantic oscilation (two large current forces that oppose each other in the atlantic are becoming stronger. This meteorological pattern is the reason why northern europe is so green and southern europe and north africa are more desert like). Well the increases in Indian temps, means that the north atlantic oscillation creates stronger weather patterns in north africa, drying up the soil. So as the jet streams fly across africa, it picks up dust and sweeps it over the carribean. This dust causes….you guessed it, ASTHMA. So as you see, human activity causes shifts in the way the earth is balanced and creates problems that we may not even notice or realize until we look at the system as a whole.

55% of Americans favor a global agreement to reduce climate change.

The majority of Americans also want health care reform with a public option to bring down insurance costs.

But we’re not going to get that, either.

90% of the people born before1900 who ate a pickle are now dead.

Have seen a number of posts where deniers DO challenge “gravity” as reality- because quantum physics has found some things don’t strictly follow the old ball from the tower rule-precisely. Variables do not contradict the obvious cumulative effects of all elements combined. Exceptions(variables) do NOT totally disprove the theorem, merely add complexity to the analysis. Black is both the absence of all light, AND the combination of ALL pigment colors- using different medium does not mean the effects observed are incorrect.

How do you figure competition will cause insurance companies to raise their rates, Harley?

Are you not a capitalist?

I’m pretty sure that the goal of the public option is not to drive the insurance companies out of business, Harley. Where’d you hear that? From the RNC, or their mouthpiece, Fox?

Harely I am not going to step in your health care debate. But you said “Plus Capitalism has done more to keep this planet clean then any other form of government”, I would disagree. Moralism imposed on capitalism has done more for this planet. Although capitalism isn’t the necessary factor, it is merely an excellent vehicle to propagate said moralism.

Capitalism has done more to dirty this planet than any form of government, too. Or haven’t you looked at Victorian England? They had to sandblast Winchester a few years ago to get the coal dust out of the walls. Turns out they’re white and not gray.

I am not saying that capitalism is clean, rather I am saying that once people started to see the error in their ways, capitalism was much quicker to give them alternatives, but only once morality was imposed regarding treating the environment correctly.

I can’t take haters seriously anymore.

agreed!!!!

reminded of that ol’ t-shirt slogan….

“There is no gravity - the earth sucks!”

I’m amazed by the number of folks that worship “capitalism” as their religion who don’t realize it is an economic system, neither “government” nor “religion”- to any but them. They are the same who call the science of “climate change” a “religion” to their followers, who are only observing facts. They are Not Under Treatment Systems.

^ Richard Branson’s workin’ on that, ya know.