gop and bush said that voter fraud was rampant. investigated from 2001-2006, and found only 32 cases. many of those were just people who voted twice. doj told FL to stop purging the rolls. both sides in the past did voter fraud. whether it was gop stealing ballot boxes, or dems having dead and cattle vote. voting in this nation is primitive compared to other nations. iraq has people thumbprint the boxes. we have hanging chads, levers, and buttons. even worse, is that we don’t have a national holiday to vote. and, what of the talk of modernizing our voting machines or was the money spent to fight war?
Hello Neighbors,There are some real good ideas in the comments on this cartoon. Presidents’ Day is a holiday, but the day we elect a president/senator/congressman/state legislature/judge is not.
NPR, prior to the 2008 elections did a story on computer voting machines vs. the lever arm ballot boxes. It took the testers less than 5 minutes to get to the computer’s insides and less than 10 to change the program and therefore the outcome of any balloting performed with that machine. When they couldn’t locate the key to unlock the lever arm machine, they contacted a professional locksmith who took 2 hours to get into the machine in such a way as to mask tampering, and once in, there was no way to tamper with the insides without it being obvious to anyone looking at it…akin to changing the strings on a piano or guitar. The reasoning for eliminating lever arm machines was they were expensive to maintain and store, yet the computers must be kept updated and stored in climate controlled environments.
I personally do not disagree with individuals having to present a valid picture I.D. in order to vote, but I emphatically disagree with charging people for those I.D.s and a story on one of the news networks- i watch cnn, msnbc, and fox to see how each reports on various stories- tho I prefer NPR and Morning Joe- stated that valid college I.D.s would not be accepted in at least one state.
Other countries have citizens who are literally risking their lives to have the honor of doing what so many of our neighbors take for granted. Every effort to prevent citizens from voting flies in the face of every Constitutional ideal we cherish.
The Citizens United ruling by the Supreme Court allows foreign firms who have companies in the US to have unprecedented influence in our elections. But I also believe union workers should have a right to decide for whom, or even IF, their dues should be used in elections. I would certainly hate it if I worked for a company who was using the profits my labor helped them make to elect a person who was objectional to me as a candidate. I can debate with my coworker, I can’t debate with the board of directors.
It was really nice to see so many thoughtful and nonvindictive comments on this cartoon. Once we can have civil discourse, we can move on to fixing some of the things we agree on.
The funeral director who was in charge at my husband’s death notified the county election board that he had died. I don’t know if this is the law in Oklahoma or not, but sounds like a smart idea that could solve one problem.
MORTYFORTYRANT: Sanders made no secret of his party when he was mayor of Burlington. Virtually everyone in the state knew it. It is the corporate media which won’t permit his party to be named for fear people will know what socialism is rather than using the old Soviet Union definition. It also prevents coverage of both Socialist and Green Parties, which could provide a alternatives to the increasingly one-party rule of the Republicrats.
Ah, elephants in wolves clothing. How refreshing. Voter fraud isn’t the issue, it’s election fraud. And where the heck is the justice department. It’s almost as if the Dims don’t care. I know about the letter they sent to the Florida Gov. to stop what they are doing, but, this voter depression is going on all over the country in states with Republicant governors.
with Obama’s “Justice” Dept. sending federal WARNINGS to Florida to “stop purging the voter rolls”….OF ILLEGAL ALIENS….hasn’t this government gone far, far, past the irritating acts of King George that brought our Revolution?
the Obama administration is unconstitutionally meddling in state rights and personal citizen’s God-given RIGHTS to run our own lives!!!
Part of the continuing Republican war on rights. Warrantless wiretapping, Gitmo, stop loss, now voting. If someone sneezes, they want everyone shot for bird flu.
C Downs: Very good point that the Reagan administration made any “registered” corporation in the U.S., even if totally foreign owned, to have all the “rights” of a citizen. So the argument by the right, whining about “foreigners” voting, over looks a very key element. Also, it’s interesting that it’s the “righties” who are all for “paperless” ballots, like Diebold systems, that totally remove all “checks and balances” on REAL voter fraud, in the machines.
What was honest about Sharon Angle’s people telling Latinos that the vote was postponed until the day after the election. How about Ohio sending it’s voting machines out to the suburbs and leaving an inadequate number of machines in the inner cities so minorities had to stand in line for hours to vote. How about Diebold’s CEO telling Bush he would give him Ohio? And he did with a paperless voting trail. The list goes on. The only way Republicants can win is if they cheat and they know it.
First, I think you have me confused with someone else, as I haven’t commented on voting machines (although I agree that any voting machine without a clear audit trail is both a bad and stupid idea).
Second, you have (deliberately?) entirely missed the point. Sadly, I expected nothing more of you.
Idiots. Collectivists want voting day to be treated a trip to the cinema, where people can be sneaked-in when nobody is looking so they don’t all have to pay for a ticket. Elections are serious, and getting an ID is such a simple process, but you morons want to convince everybody that it will “disenfranchise” minorities (how, may I ask?). Purging voter rolls of the dead and those who do not live in districts will defraud people in what way? The only thing involved here is keeping elections honest, and the ONLY thing that you progressive/collectivists have to say about it is accuse those who want honesty of the very thing that that they are trying to stop. It’s projection, no more, and no less.
Another lie. The group outside a polling place was filmed by a McCain staffer who gave the clip to the media. There was one doofus with a billy club. They were arrested by police & taken away. The New Black Panther Party denounced their actions. No actual voters have come forward to claim their vote was suppressed. The polling place they were near is in an overwhelmingly black neighborhood. I can’t imagine why anyone from the McCain campaign even bothered being there to film the antics other than to feed bogus conspiracies to idiots like you. As the conservative National Review puts it:“Get a grip, folks. The New Black Panther Party is a lunatic fringe group that is clearly into racial theater of minor importance. It may dream of a large-scale effort to suppress voting — like the Socialist Workers Party dreams of a national campaign to demonstrate its position as the vanguard of the proletariat. But the Panthers have not realized their dream even on a small scale.”
badgerexpat about 12 years ago
I think a better caption would have been “the guardians of democracy”
Ketira about 12 years ago
No, I agree – this is what it’s like in a few cities. Badgerexapt, what drugs are you taking for your head to be that far into the clouds?
Dtroutma about 12 years ago
Remember the “innocence” of “Tricky Dick’s Brigade”??
Kali39 about 12 years ago
Guarding the outhouse. Appropriate…
Of course, today, the dogs would be bionic.
vwdualnomand about 12 years ago
gop and bush said that voter fraud was rampant. investigated from 2001-2006, and found only 32 cases. many of those were just people who voted twice. doj told FL to stop purging the rolls. both sides in the past did voter fraud. whether it was gop stealing ballot boxes, or dems having dead and cattle vote. voting in this nation is primitive compared to other nations. iraq has people thumbprint the boxes. we have hanging chads, levers, and buttons. even worse, is that we don’t have a national holiday to vote. and, what of the talk of modernizing our voting machines or was the money spent to fight war?
lbatik about 12 years ago
Two-three people intimidated voters at one polling station
vs.
The state government systematically disenfranchise thousands of legal voters across the state
Two people get arrested and charged for voter interference
vs.
The people who write the legislation are in charge of voter interference.
See the difference yet?
babka Premium Member about 12 years ago
Simon_Jester about 12 years ago
That story has lonnng since been debunked.
Which won’t stop you from robo-posting it again…and again…and again.
chazandru about 12 years ago
Hello Neighbors,There are some real good ideas in the comments on this cartoon. Presidents’ Day is a holiday, but the day we elect a president/senator/congressman/state legislature/judge is not.
NPR, prior to the 2008 elections did a story on computer voting machines vs. the lever arm ballot boxes. It took the testers less than 5 minutes to get to the computer’s insides and less than 10 to change the program and therefore the outcome of any balloting performed with that machine. When they couldn’t locate the key to unlock the lever arm machine, they contacted a professional locksmith who took 2 hours to get into the machine in such a way as to mask tampering, and once in, there was no way to tamper with the insides without it being obvious to anyone looking at it…akin to changing the strings on a piano or guitar. The reasoning for eliminating lever arm machines was they were expensive to maintain and store, yet the computers must be kept updated and stored in climate controlled environments.
I personally do not disagree with individuals having to present a valid picture I.D. in order to vote, but I emphatically disagree with charging people for those I.D.s and a story on one of the news networks- i watch cnn, msnbc, and fox to see how each reports on various stories- tho I prefer NPR and Morning Joe- stated that valid college I.D.s would not be accepted in at least one state.
Other countries have citizens who are literally risking their lives to have the honor of doing what so many of our neighbors take for granted. Every effort to prevent citizens from voting flies in the face of every Constitutional ideal we cherish.
The Citizens United ruling by the Supreme Court allows foreign firms who have companies in the US to have unprecedented influence in our elections. But I also believe union workers should have a right to decide for whom, or even IF, their dues should be used in elections. I would certainly hate it if I worked for a company who was using the profits my labor helped them make to elect a person who was objectional to me as a candidate. I can debate with my coworker, I can’t debate with the board of directors.
It was really nice to see so many thoughtful and nonvindictive comments on this cartoon. Once we can have civil discourse, we can move on to fixing some of the things we agree on.
Respectfully,C
Mythreesons about 12 years ago
The funeral director who was in charge at my husband’s death notified the county election board that he had died. I don’t know if this is the law in Oklahoma or not, but sounds like a smart idea that could solve one problem.
hippogriff about 12 years ago
MORTYFORTYRANT: Sanders made no secret of his party when he was mayor of Burlington. Virtually everyone in the state knew it. It is the corporate media which won’t permit his party to be named for fear people will know what socialism is rather than using the old Soviet Union definition. It also prevents coverage of both Socialist and Green Parties, which could provide a alternatives to the increasingly one-party rule of the Republicrats.
joe vignone about 12 years ago
Ah, elephants in wolves clothing. How refreshing. Voter fraud isn’t the issue, it’s election fraud. And where the heck is the justice department. It’s almost as if the Dims don’t care. I know about the letter they sent to the Florida Gov. to stop what they are doing, but, this voter depression is going on all over the country in states with Republicant governors.
el8 about 12 years ago
leave it to the supreme court, they love this stuff
pirate227 about 12 years ago
Should say “The GOP”.
disgustedtaxpayer about 12 years ago
with Obama’s “Justice” Dept. sending federal WARNINGS to Florida to “stop purging the voter rolls”….OF ILLEGAL ALIENS….hasn’t this government gone far, far, past the irritating acts of King George that brought our Revolution?
the Obama administration is unconstitutionally meddling in state rights and personal citizen’s God-given RIGHTS to run our own lives!!!
SaltWaterCroc about 12 years ago
Part of the continuing Republican war on rights. Warrantless wiretapping, Gitmo, stop loss, now voting. If someone sneezes, they want everyone shot for bird flu.
Dtroutma about 12 years ago
C Downs: Very good point that the Reagan administration made any “registered” corporation in the U.S., even if totally foreign owned, to have all the “rights” of a citizen. So the argument by the right, whining about “foreigners” voting, over looks a very key element. Also, it’s interesting that it’s the “righties” who are all for “paperless” ballots, like Diebold systems, that totally remove all “checks and balances” on REAL voter fraud, in the machines.
joe vignone about 12 years ago
What was honest about Sharon Angle’s people telling Latinos that the vote was postponed until the day after the election. How about Ohio sending it’s voting machines out to the suburbs and leaving an inadequate number of machines in the inner cities so minorities had to stand in line for hours to vote. How about Diebold’s CEO telling Bush he would give him Ohio? And he did with a paperless voting trail. The list goes on. The only way Republicants can win is if they cheat and they know it.
lbatik about 12 years ago
First, I think you have me confused with someone else, as I haven’t commented on voting machines (although I agree that any voting machine without a clear audit trail is both a bad and stupid idea).
Second, you have (deliberately?) entirely missed the point. Sadly, I expected nothing more of you.
walruscarver2000 about 12 years ago
To paraphrase Shakespeare “He speaks, but he says nothing.”
kamwick about 12 years ago
Hyperbole much?
yohannbiimu about 12 years ago
Idiots. Collectivists want voting day to be treated a trip to the cinema, where people can be sneaked-in when nobody is looking so they don’t all have to pay for a ticket. Elections are serious, and getting an ID is such a simple process, but you morons want to convince everybody that it will “disenfranchise” minorities (how, may I ask?). Purging voter rolls of the dead and those who do not live in districts will defraud people in what way? The only thing involved here is keeping elections honest, and the ONLY thing that you progressive/collectivists have to say about it is accuse those who want honesty of the very thing that that they are trying to stop. It’s projection, no more, and no less.
Uncle Joe Premium Member about 12 years ago
Another lie. The group outside a polling place was filmed by a McCain staffer who gave the clip to the media. There was one doofus with a billy club. They were arrested by police & taken away. The New Black Panther Party denounced their actions. No actual voters have come forward to claim their vote was suppressed. The polling place they were near is in an overwhelmingly black neighborhood. I can’t imagine why anyone from the McCain campaign even bothered being there to film the antics other than to feed bogus conspiracies to idiots like you. As the conservative National Review puts it:“Get a grip, folks. The New Black Panther Party is a lunatic fringe group that is clearly into racial theater of minor importance. It may dream of a large-scale effort to suppress voting — like the Socialist Workers Party dreams of a national campaign to demonstrate its position as the vanguard of the proletariat. But the Panthers have not realized their dream even on a small scale.”
walruscarver2000 about 12 years ago
Then you could nevr harm me since you never even saw the truth, much less spoke it.