Yep, Scooter, that tolerance and understanding of “Man” for what he really is, and isn’t, is really dangerous. Jerry Falwell, Baker, and them spouting evangelicals with their hands in people’s wallets, or little boys underwear, are really right on with their condemnations and hypocrisy.
oldlego wrote: “”Many US Episcopal congregations fed up with unBiblical liberal teaching have left and put themselves under Evangelical African Bishops.”
To be specific, they have been upset with three things in particular. In the 70s we started to ordain women, then had the audacity to change the Book of Common Prayer (reinstating, by the way, one of the most ancient eucharistic liturgies of all – that one really upset “traditionalists”), and of course the open ordinations of gays.
They talk about unbiblical, but we have never once changed our stance on the bible which “containeth all things necessary to salvation.” We still use – and always have – the Apostles and Nicene Creeds as our statements of faith. But of course, people read scripture differently – and always have – and that ticks everyone else off.
As to “Evangelical African Bishops” that would include Peter Akinola who has advocated death to gays and refused to condemn genocide. If that’s what they want, let them embrace that kind of love.
Re: the Cartoon. You will note that the priest in front handing out the bonus points is Roman Catholic (the paper says, “Come back to Catholicism”).
This is a commentary on the crass move by Rome to woo disaffected Anglicans.
PS. The church in England was never the evangelical haven of American fundamentalists. Even before there was a Church of England, the English were among the least active church goers. C.S. Lewis, however, remained loyal the the C of E till his dying day.
Irish, aside from being offensive with your language, you are also wrong, especially about what I wrote. For a church (Roman Catholicism) that has a rather long tradition of pedophilia among its priests, not to mention homosexuality and having children out of wedlock but then hushing it up, I’d say Rome doesn’t have much room for talking.
Regarding abortion, since you do not know our church’s stance, I will enlighten you. It is opposed by the church. However, the church also recognizes that making it illegal has been a profound failure, and our approach is to find better ways of cutting the number of abortions. Where you focus on punishing offenders, we focus on helping women find other means.
Yes, we have gay priests and bishops (not many but some), and so do the Romans. The big difference is, Roman Catholics lie about it.
Now, as to the cartoon: Unless you are blind, you will note that the priest in front has a pamphlet that says, “Come back to Catholicism.”
And by the way, Anglicans DO affirm the Nicene Creed every Sunday as well as the Apostle’s Creed. What about you?
And just for fun, here’s another wrench to throw into the works. The pope is a head of state (Vatican City), openly jumping into the provence of another head of state (the Queen of England who is also officially head of the Church of England). Wonder what kind of diplomatic fireworks could come of that. Unlike the Episcopal Church, the C of E is state run, and if she wanted, she could make life very interesting for those who “poped.”
RussellNash over 14 years ago
“Just give us all of your money and we’ll see what we can do about your soul.”
David Riedel Premium Member over 14 years ago
Anyone for indulgences? $.50 a pop.
Dtroutma over 14 years ago
Yep, Scooter, that tolerance and understanding of “Man” for what he really is, and isn’t, is really dangerous. Jerry Falwell, Baker, and them spouting evangelicals with their hands in people’s wallets, or little boys underwear, are really right on with their condemnations and hypocrisy.
parkersinthehouse over 14 years ago
wow dad - you read c s lewis? he’s a christian yaknow. his finding God is a tender and beautiful story
cdward over 14 years ago
oldlego wrote: “”Many US Episcopal congregations fed up with unBiblical liberal teaching have left and put themselves under Evangelical African Bishops.”
To be specific, they have been upset with three things in particular. In the 70s we started to ordain women, then had the audacity to change the Book of Common Prayer (reinstating, by the way, one of the most ancient eucharistic liturgies of all – that one really upset “traditionalists”), and of course the open ordinations of gays.
They talk about unbiblical, but we have never once changed our stance on the bible which “containeth all things necessary to salvation.” We still use – and always have – the Apostles and Nicene Creeds as our statements of faith. But of course, people read scripture differently – and always have – and that ticks everyone else off.
As to “Evangelical African Bishops” that would include Peter Akinola who has advocated death to gays and refused to condemn genocide. If that’s what they want, let them embrace that kind of love.
cdward over 14 years ago
Re: the Cartoon. You will note that the priest in front handing out the bonus points is Roman Catholic (the paper says, “Come back to Catholicism”).
This is a commentary on the crass move by Rome to woo disaffected Anglicans.
PS. The church in England was never the evangelical haven of American fundamentalists. Even before there was a Church of England, the English were among the least active church goers. C.S. Lewis, however, remained loyal the the C of E till his dying day.
4uk4ata over 14 years ago
Religious disputes are always fun to watch, as long as you are at a safe distance.
Personally, I think sexual orientation is not exactly that high on the Lord’s sin list, maybe at about the same spot as eating seafood.
Dtroutma over 14 years ago
Uh, Charlie, God is transgender???
cdward over 14 years ago
Irish, aside from being offensive with your language, you are also wrong, especially about what I wrote. For a church (Roman Catholicism) that has a rather long tradition of pedophilia among its priests, not to mention homosexuality and having children out of wedlock but then hushing it up, I’d say Rome doesn’t have much room for talking.
Regarding abortion, since you do not know our church’s stance, I will enlighten you. It is opposed by the church. However, the church also recognizes that making it illegal has been a profound failure, and our approach is to find better ways of cutting the number of abortions. Where you focus on punishing offenders, we focus on helping women find other means.
Yes, we have gay priests and bishops (not many but some), and so do the Romans. The big difference is, Roman Catholics lie about it.
Now, as to the cartoon: Unless you are blind, you will note that the priest in front has a pamphlet that says, “Come back to Catholicism.”
And by the way, Anglicans DO affirm the Nicene Creed every Sunday as well as the Apostle’s Creed. What about you?
And just for fun, here’s another wrench to throw into the works. The pope is a head of state (Vatican City), openly jumping into the provence of another head of state (the Queen of England who is also officially head of the Church of England). Wonder what kind of diplomatic fireworks could come of that. Unlike the Episcopal Church, the C of E is state run, and if she wanted, she could make life very interesting for those who “poped.”
CorosiveFrog Premium Member over 14 years ago
Naaah, sorry padre. I only collect karma points. (buddhists get it)