Went to a meeting last night on a gas pipeline of this diameter due to come through my community to deliver natural gas from Wyoming-to California. We won’t get any of it here, despite one guy’s assertions from the company. The Caspian reserves aren’t the ONLY problem of delivery vs end user.
Charlemagne pretty much was set up as the Roman emperor for Western Europe to counter the Byzantine power from Constantinople. What exactly did he achieve with the Byzantine empire?
salt- ours is a 40 inch natural gas pipeline, and California IS the eighth largest economy, in the WORLD. I believe the pipeline under discussion is also for natural gas, not liquid petroleum.
My request for clarification was because Charlemagne actually had tenuous diplomatic relations with the most powerful of the muslim rulers of the time, Harun al- Rashid. In fact, he was given an elephant by the ruler. His relations with the Spanish muslims were more contentious but the Spanish leaders were fairly independent of central authority.
BTW Om
In regards to Ch. being set up. It is a point of contention among historians. Many believe he knew, quite well, that Leo III was planning on naming him Holy Roman Emperor and he had no problems with it. Byzantium had far to many problems of their own to take serious offense and eventually acknowleged him as an Emperor but not HRE. Byzantium’s attention was firmly focused eastward.
There is a global issue at hand beyond just the concerns of supplying Europe, or California. Transport of gas/oil is also an issue from Alaska to the lower U.S., from Africa to the U.S.. As these systems cross national or state jurisdictions, “risk” to supplies is a very serious potential problem.
The energy companies/consortiums also wield immense power, even over nations, and have little respect for boundaries, or the people they impact. It IS food for some thought.
Countries do receive transit payments for the material pumped. However, the areas immediately affected by the pipelines don’t always get any of the money.
Europe’s supply goes beyond normal problems of dealing with a large company. Gazprom is completely controlled by the Russian government and they have shown themselves fully prepared to use it as political leverage.
Gladius almost 15 years ago
I doubt it. There are too many with entrenched attitudes toward Turkey.
Dtroutma almost 15 years ago
Went to a meeting last night on a gas pipeline of this diameter due to come through my community to deliver natural gas from Wyoming-to California. We won’t get any of it here, despite one guy’s assertions from the company. The Caspian reserves aren’t the ONLY problem of delivery vs end user.
Gladius almost 15 years ago
sat, Would you care to elaborate on your Charlemagne comment?
OmqR-IV.0 almost 15 years ago
Charlemagne pretty much was set up as the Roman emperor for Western Europe to counter the Byzantine power from Constantinople. What exactly did he achieve with the Byzantine empire?
Dtroutma almost 15 years ago
salt- ours is a 40 inch natural gas pipeline, and California IS the eighth largest economy, in the WORLD. I believe the pipeline under discussion is also for natural gas, not liquid petroleum.
Gladius almost 15 years ago
My request for clarification was because Charlemagne actually had tenuous diplomatic relations with the most powerful of the muslim rulers of the time, Harun al- Rashid. In fact, he was given an elephant by the ruler. His relations with the Spanish muslims were more contentious but the Spanish leaders were fairly independent of central authority.
BTW Om In regards to Ch. being set up. It is a point of contention among historians. Many believe he knew, quite well, that Leo III was planning on naming him Holy Roman Emperor and he had no problems with it. Byzantium had far to many problems of their own to take serious offense and eventually acknowleged him as an Emperor but not HRE. Byzantium’s attention was firmly focused eastward.
Dtroutma almost 15 years ago
Salt, not meant as any “competition”.
There is a global issue at hand beyond just the concerns of supplying Europe, or California. Transport of gas/oil is also an issue from Alaska to the lower U.S., from Africa to the U.S.. As these systems cross national or state jurisdictions, “risk” to supplies is a very serious potential problem.
The energy companies/consortiums also wield immense power, even over nations, and have little respect for boundaries, or the people they impact. It IS food for some thought.
Gladius almost 15 years ago
Countries do receive transit payments for the material pumped. However, the areas immediately affected by the pipelines don’t always get any of the money.
Europe’s supply goes beyond normal problems of dealing with a large company. Gazprom is completely controlled by the Russian government and they have shown themselves fully prepared to use it as political leverage.
OmqR-IV.0 almost 15 years ago
Gladius: I’m already doing some history revising, may as well add the 8th & 9th centuries while I’m at it. ;-)