What a dilemma! Too many people in California but the other 49 don’t want ’em! Wait! Send the conservatives to infiltrate Illinois and New York and the liberals can go to Mexico and Cuba for education! Problem solved!
At the risk of being repetitive, a national system of pipelines that transport water from areas experience floods to areas experiencing drought would be good for both dilemmas and cost less over time than the repairing the damage done by floods or the rising cost of foods as farmers in California, Florida, and the Plains states find water harder and harder to come by. To Mr. Lind, desalinization is expensive but power can be provided by technologies in addition to solar and wind such as the energy of the tide and surf near the plant itself. *http://www.alternative-energy-news.info/technology/hydro/tidal-power/*There are other variations of the idea shown in the article.Brine does have a use in industries and producing it at these plants would reduce the need to mine for it.Numerous studies indicate the ability of the USA to grow sufficient crops for its citizens, forget exports, is going to be more challenging over the next two decades so some preparation must be made. Then there are ideas like this.Enjoy.*http://nymag.com/news/features/30020/*Respectfully, C.
Actually we export most our fruits and nuts and eat the carrot, tomatoes, lettuce, etc. America may not have a choice about eating California produce if the drought continues.Why blame Bush? Climate Change is for real, some day the heat will bake the deniers brains.The drought isn’t happening just in CA. All the west and into Texas. Wichita Falls Texas is really suffering. They are drinking recycled water there.
Why doesn’t Lisa just move to Florida, no income tax! Hmm, but a lot more mold and hurricanes, and sales taxes, property taxes, and crazy right wing politicians (and resident migrants from northern climes).
I don’t disagree with you Baslim. You make good points and it would be best if we could exist within the parameters of our resources. That said, can we?I mentioned I spoke to some engineers about this idea and there were two thought that made it feasible to them, though like others have said, they believe the initial cost would be too much for folks to consider. The first fact is the siphon effect, once a pipeline is dropping water down one side of the mountain, it could, in theory, pull water up the other side. The water falling down through the pipe could also turn turbines that would generate power necessary to run pumps. It’s all hypothetical, but we had fun discussing the potential.As far as desalination goes, a company in Louisiana has caused sinkholes to form in bayou areas while mining for brine. Brine apparently has industrial uses. I was surprised. Whether industry would need all the brine generated by a series of desalination plants, I don’t know. I am not an engineer. I hadn’t considered your idea and really enjoyed it. I found your reply very thought provoking and am grateful for the ideas you contributed. If enough of us brainstormed like this, perhaps even simple minds, like mine, gathered in a large group, could find real solutions. Like people singing a song… one voice may not be very good, and many voices may also sound bad, but if you have enough singing in harmony, magic can happen.Thank you again.Sincerely,C.
We went to the moon, is this harder?Some were paid to not grow crops. They should be happy.Avoid the mountains, put the water pipelines along the railroad rights of way, from Canada.We get oil from the middle east. That’s farther away!What will our president do—when he come back from Jamaica?
You should have been at the conversation, Baslim. I remember some of those points being mentioned and a an exchange of equations between my friends that was so far over my head I almost got the bends coming back up from it. :)I do believe for most problems there are solutions, though some are less palatable than others. The most practical solution is for humans to drastically slow down their reproduction intelligently and willingly, not like the Chinese or the ZPG fans would have it. There are just too many of us and our planet has turned into an overcrowded spaceship whose life support mechanism is being damaged.Thank you for taking the time to provide that excellent report. I will read those sources and reevaluate the idea. It would definitely be better to avoid the mountains on both sides of our country.With sincere appreciation,C.
Crabbyrino Premium Member about 9 years ago
The land of fruits and nuts will be the land of cacti.
rpmurray about 9 years ago
It’s obvious that the problem is overpopulation in an area with finite resources. Time to cull the herds.
manteo16nc about 9 years ago
What a dilemma! Too many people in California but the other 49 don’t want ’em! Wait! Send the conservatives to infiltrate Illinois and New York and the liberals can go to Mexico and Cuba for education! Problem solved!
Theodore E. Lind Premium Member about 9 years ago
Destabilization is very expensive and probably not a practical solution. Big agriculture is the big user and needs to shape up.
chazandru about 9 years ago
At the risk of being repetitive, a national system of pipelines that transport water from areas experience floods to areas experiencing drought would be good for both dilemmas and cost less over time than the repairing the damage done by floods or the rising cost of foods as farmers in California, Florida, and the Plains states find water harder and harder to come by. To Mr. Lind, desalinization is expensive but power can be provided by technologies in addition to solar and wind such as the energy of the tide and surf near the plant itself. *http://www.alternative-energy-news.info/technology/hydro/tidal-power/*There are other variations of the idea shown in the article.Brine does have a use in industries and producing it at these plants would reduce the need to mine for it.Numerous studies indicate the ability of the USA to grow sufficient crops for its citizens, forget exports, is going to be more challenging over the next two decades so some preparation must be made. Then there are ideas like this.Enjoy.*http://nymag.com/news/features/30020/*Respectfully, C.
luvdafuneez about 9 years ago
It’s not a secret anymore. Read “The Synchronicity Key” by David Wilcock. It’s quite revelatory…
PainterArt Premium Member about 9 years ago
Actually we export most our fruits and nuts and eat the carrot, tomatoes, lettuce, etc. America may not have a choice about eating California produce if the drought continues.Why blame Bush? Climate Change is for real, some day the heat will bake the deniers brains.The drought isn’t happening just in CA. All the west and into Texas. Wichita Falls Texas is really suffering. They are drinking recycled water there.
Dtroutma about 9 years ago
Why doesn’t Lisa just move to Florida, no income tax! Hmm, but a lot more mold and hurricanes, and sales taxes, property taxes, and crazy right wing politicians (and resident migrants from northern climes).
chazandru about 9 years ago
I don’t disagree with you Baslim. You make good points and it would be best if we could exist within the parameters of our resources. That said, can we?I mentioned I spoke to some engineers about this idea and there were two thought that made it feasible to them, though like others have said, they believe the initial cost would be too much for folks to consider. The first fact is the siphon effect, once a pipeline is dropping water down one side of the mountain, it could, in theory, pull water up the other side. The water falling down through the pipe could also turn turbines that would generate power necessary to run pumps. It’s all hypothetical, but we had fun discussing the potential.As far as desalination goes, a company in Louisiana has caused sinkholes to form in bayou areas while mining for brine. Brine apparently has industrial uses. I was surprised. Whether industry would need all the brine generated by a series of desalination plants, I don’t know. I am not an engineer. I hadn’t considered your idea and really enjoyed it. I found your reply very thought provoking and am grateful for the ideas you contributed. If enough of us brainstormed like this, perhaps even simple minds, like mine, gathered in a large group, could find real solutions. Like people singing a song… one voice may not be very good, and many voices may also sound bad, but if you have enough singing in harmony, magic can happen.Thank you again.Sincerely,C.
38lowell about 9 years ago
We went to the moon, is this harder?Some were paid to not grow crops. They should be happy.Avoid the mountains, put the water pipelines along the railroad rights of way, from Canada.We get oil from the middle east. That’s farther away!What will our president do—when he come back from Jamaica?
chazandru about 9 years ago
You should have been at the conversation, Baslim. I remember some of those points being mentioned and a an exchange of equations between my friends that was so far over my head I almost got the bends coming back up from it. :)I do believe for most problems there are solutions, though some are less palatable than others. The most practical solution is for humans to drastically slow down their reproduction intelligently and willingly, not like the Chinese or the ZPG fans would have it. There are just too many of us and our planet has turned into an overcrowded spaceship whose life support mechanism is being damaged.Thank you for taking the time to provide that excellent report. I will read those sources and reevaluate the idea. It would definitely be better to avoid the mountains on both sides of our country.With sincere appreciation,C.