It’s all about money for the private corporations. That’s why most people in industrialized nations pay less for health care than we do. Sure, they pay it in the form of taxes, but they still pay less.
“Just eliminate insurance and make health care a public service like police or the fire department.”
Conservatives call that “socialism.” Police and Fire departments are also “socialism” (but they seem to forget that part).
I personally adore the idea of a mercenary “police” and a mercenary “fire” department, don’t you?
Oh wait, that’s why they’re training all of those old white men with anti-government fears to act as a “local militia.” Ya I’d feel REAL safe with THEM watching out for me.
One thing that’s glossed over here: choosing and paying an insurance premium is voluntary, you can even rely on the (already extant) public healthcare system and not pay anything.
Obamacare is forced coverage and payment. If you don’t pay the premium set by goverenment, your wages and any other income/refund will be garnished, and you may be criminally charged otherwise as well.
Oh: and all your Privacy Act information will be accessible by TeleComs and Utility providers, at the discretion of the IRS, as well, as a provision of this act. It would behoove the public to read the fine print…..
A) Hawaii has provided universal coverage for 40 years. B) Any individual state can do it if it wishes and should. Lots of money to be made. C) We don’t have obamacare, we have a mish mosh mutant care package that everyone now wants to pass that makes us all get some kind of coverage. Great for the Ins. co. and doctors who own both the repubs and dems. Not great for the rest of us. O seems intent on getting a health care plan of any sort like Bush was intent on getting Iraq a government of any sort, no matter the cost. The original idea was to save businesses money on comp and insurance costs. Looks like they threw out the baby and kept the bathwater on it.
before you can choose to pay an insurance premium, the insurance company has to accept you as a member. can anyone say “pre-existing condition”?
HEALTH CARE REFORM NOW!
WE CAN’T AFFORD TO WAIT!
Corporate- whether insurance, or exterminators, either turn a profit, the higher the better, or “shareholders” are unhappy.
Government management does NOT have to make an actual profit- in fact. Contracting out government projects has proven FAR MORE expensive, with only a very few exceptions, than having “government” do the job.
Private doctors, hospitals, and care, with single payer coming from government, as opposed to 30-50 paper-pusing insurance companies, each taking a “profit” at each stage of the game to process a single treatment- DOES cost us more. Tort reform IS also needed- but as most of Congress are lawyers, good luck on removing the real scabs from THAT wound!
On what planet are you lefty libs living, your numbers are scewed and your logic is anything but .
I just cant fathom why you would want to give up your freedom for the illusion of security.
“Let’s pass Obamacare without a vote–that will show the American public that opposes it.”
Reconciliation and the merger of two bills already voted on and passed by the House and Senate? I think you’ve been sipping a little too much Fox News kool-aid. I was reading Fox News this morning and they call it a “legislative trick.”
Was it a “legislative trick” when they passed 2 tax cuts and a Medicare change? Oh of course not, it was the “constitutional option” because Republicans were doing it. Gotcha.
Where I work we also have open enrollment for new employees ( after their 60 days waiting period) and at that point they are eligible for full coverage.
bruce, I really prefer single payor and that means no private insurance industry. You ask about what happens to people who work for the insurance industry … you really think that’s a legitimate reason to resist healthcare reform?
People employed by big insurers can find work that actually contributes to the economy, instead of wasting dollars that should be used for medical care and paying medical providers.
cdward about 14 years ago
It’s all about money for the private corporations. That’s why most people in industrialized nations pay less for health care than we do. Sure, they pay it in the form of taxes, but they still pay less.
Jaedabee Premium Member about 14 years ago
Your capitalism at work.
“Just eliminate insurance and make health care a public service like police or the fire department.”
Conservatives call that “socialism.” Police and Fire departments are also “socialism” (but they seem to forget that part). I personally adore the idea of a mercenary “police” and a mercenary “fire” department, don’t you? Oh wait, that’s why they’re training all of those old white men with anti-government fears to act as a “local militia.” Ya I’d feel REAL safe with THEM watching out for me.dfowensby about 14 years ago
One thing that’s glossed over here: choosing and paying an insurance premium is voluntary, you can even rely on the (already extant) public healthcare system and not pay anything. Obamacare is forced coverage and payment. If you don’t pay the premium set by goverenment, your wages and any other income/refund will be garnished, and you may be criminally charged otherwise as well. Oh: and all your Privacy Act information will be accessible by TeleComs and Utility providers, at the discretion of the IRS, as well, as a provision of this act. It would behoove the public to read the fine print…..
freeholder1 about 14 years ago
A) Hawaii has provided universal coverage for 40 years. B) Any individual state can do it if it wishes and should. Lots of money to be made. C) We don’t have obamacare, we have a mish mosh mutant care package that everyone now wants to pass that makes us all get some kind of coverage. Great for the Ins. co. and doctors who own both the repubs and dems. Not great for the rest of us. O seems intent on getting a health care plan of any sort like Bush was intent on getting Iraq a government of any sort, no matter the cost. The original idea was to save businesses money on comp and insurance costs. Looks like they threw out the baby and kept the bathwater on it.
treered about 14 years ago
before you can choose to pay an insurance premium, the insurance company has to accept you as a member. can anyone say “pre-existing condition”? HEALTH CARE REFORM NOW! WE CAN’T AFFORD TO WAIT!
d_legendary1 about 14 years ago
AMEN!
Dtroutma about 14 years ago
Corporate- whether insurance, or exterminators, either turn a profit, the higher the better, or “shareholders” are unhappy.
Government management does NOT have to make an actual profit- in fact. Contracting out government projects has proven FAR MORE expensive, with only a very few exceptions, than having “government” do the job.
Private doctors, hospitals, and care, with single payer coming from government, as opposed to 30-50 paper-pusing insurance companies, each taking a “profit” at each stage of the game to process a single treatment- DOES cost us more. Tort reform IS also needed- but as most of Congress are lawyers, good luck on removing the real scabs from THAT wound!
davesmithsit about 14 years ago
On what planet are you lefty libs living, your numbers are scewed and your logic is anything but . I just cant fathom why you would want to give up your freedom for the illusion of security.
zekedog55 about 14 years ago
davesmithsit questions why lefty libs support the Patriot Act?
TruthfulTheocracy about 14 years ago
Are you related to Steven Helmsley tigger?
Jaedabee Premium Member about 14 years ago
“Let’s pass Obamacare without a vote–that will show the American public that opposes it.”
Reconciliation and the merger of two bills already voted on and passed by the House and Senate? I think you’ve been sipping a little too much Fox News kool-aid. I was reading Fox News this morning and they call it a “legislative trick.” Was it a “legislative trick” when they passed 2 tax cuts and a Medicare change? Oh of course not, it was the “constitutional option” because Republicans were doing it. Gotcha.Loco80 about 14 years ago
Where I work we also have open enrollment for new employees ( after their 60 days waiting period) and at that point they are eligible for full coverage.
believecommonsense about 14 years ago
bruce, I really prefer single payor and that means no private insurance industry. You ask about what happens to people who work for the insurance industry … you really think that’s a legitimate reason to resist healthcare reform?
People employed by big insurers can find work that actually contributes to the economy, instead of wasting dollars that should be used for medical care and paying medical providers.