Chicago is surrounded by jurisdictions that do as little as possible to regulate the sale of firearms. The conservative dominated state of Indiana is a particular problem. Until this gets addressed at the Federal level there is very little that the city government of Chicago can do. This cartoon totally does not reflect reality in any way, shape or form.
sorry wrench jockey USA is 1st [thank you gop] in spending per kid ] but way down in results http://rossieronline.usc.edu/u-s-education-versus-the-world-infographic/
All the harping on “Chicago’s tough gun laws” proves is that we need a consistent FEDERAL and NATIONAL policy and set of laws to REGULATE, as required by the Second Amendment, access to certain firearms that have no place in a civil, civilian society.
I support the Second Amendment (as stated many times) AND the regulation of firearms and purchasers, possessors, of those said same firearms. Neither “gang bangers”, nor “soccer mom’s”, need extended magazines on auto-loading firearms, be they long or short barrel versions, like either the M-4, AR-15, MAC 10, Uzi, or Sig Sauer with 20 rounds. Neither do they need armor-piercing bullets, or bullet resistant (not really “proof”) vests, or body armor that IS pretty bullet proof (but not for a head shot!).
Up to the age of 65, I never felt the need for a firearm for self defense, having other non-lethal, AND lethal, techniques at my disposal. However, at 65 I discovered I’d slowed down a whole lot from my youth, however, a .45 APC had not slowed down a bit, so in a very few areas I do occasionally do have to go to, or through, a small “defensive” weapon (.38, not 45 however) does give a greater sense of “security”.
But for actual “home defense”, a dog, even a yappy little Chihuahua, may be a far better “weapon” than a gun. As when I had a 120 pound standard poodle in my childhood, who “ate” significant portions of TWO burglars before the police came and arrested them, it did prove the point that big, “family friendly” canines ARE pretty good protection as well.
LOL, I, as well as others, have refuted your blatherings in the past, just because you refuse to accept that doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.Oh, and by the way, my post was in response to your first post here, where there is nothing to refute. It’s just, as I said before, demagoguery, left wing nut job talking points and personal opinion trying to look like fact and reason. Fails on both counts.I’m curious though, there are times that you have been reasonable, they are few and far between, but times. It’s almost like you leave the computer out in the shop and let anyone who works there write a rant when they like.Oh, and another thing, I don’t fit you stereotype label applied at the end of your current rant either, but keep trying.
people dont vote but complain my neighbor wont vote but complains about gov. they dont get it dont vote so the ones that do get to call the shot majorty rules always has way country has been run dont like it get people to vote your way or find a country that doesnt belive in democercy
“of the 90 regions in the US, Chicago ranks 90th, or dead last, pun intended, in the enforcement of federal gun laws.”Well it took me about 60 seconds to figure out that the TRAC report LaPierre is hyping is probably ranking by prosecutions per capita. The areas that I saw at the top of the list were mainly rural. You also ignore the fact that the overwhelming majority of prosecutions are under local or state laws. From the TRAC database site:“here are in fact numerous overlaps in the situations where gun crimes can be prosecuted by either state or local law enforcement or the federal government. Sometimes the decision of which jurisdiction — state or federal — will prosecute a gun offense depends upon the specifics of the laws, including which one calls for a longer prison sentence.”Try going back to original sources before referencing NRA talking points.
“Well then WHY do the surrounding burbs not have the same problems Chicago? Coukd it be that crooks, thieves, and murders don’t like it when their victims can shoot back? Nah, that’d be too logical.I know the gang bangers can’t afford cars or driver’s licenses to drive to the burgs. Hmm, no that’s not it either as i see them driving around and they make a bunch of money off drugs.”Concealed carry is still illegal in the whole state of Illinois & many suburbs have had restrictions on gun ownership longer than Chicago. What those places don’t have are jobless young men who join street gangs. Well, except as the inner city gentrifies, poverty is going to some of the burbs, along with all its problems.Chicago’s high murder rate is almost entirely due to intra-gang shootings. These guys are shooting at one another, despite knowing the other guy is packing. This negates the entire argument about criminals targeting people who they think are unarmed.It’s been well documented that most of the guns used by criminals in Chicago come from a few places where gun purchases are not as well regulated, especially Indiana & Mississippi.
“You carrying a gun makes you the number one target of a shooter. You’re the one who has to be taken out first.”The conservative argument is that concealed carry will make criminals think twice before shooting, but the reality is that it will make them use more violence.
ConserveGov about 11 years ago
Ha! Good stuff.
Peabody-Martini about 11 years ago
Chicago is surrounded by jurisdictions that do as little as possible to regulate the sale of firearms. The conservative dominated state of Indiana is a particular problem. Until this gets addressed at the Federal level there is very little that the city government of Chicago can do. This cartoon totally does not reflect reality in any way, shape or form.
dpbriley about 11 years ago
LOL, same demagogue rant, different day.
oneoldhat about 11 years ago
sorry wrench jockey USA is 1st [thank you gop] in spending per kid ] but way down in results http://rossieronline.usc.edu/u-s-education-versus-the-world-infographic/
Dtroutma about 11 years ago
All the harping on “Chicago’s tough gun laws” proves is that we need a consistent FEDERAL and NATIONAL policy and set of laws to REGULATE, as required by the Second Amendment, access to certain firearms that have no place in a civil, civilian society.
I support the Second Amendment (as stated many times) AND the regulation of firearms and purchasers, possessors, of those said same firearms. Neither “gang bangers”, nor “soccer mom’s”, need extended magazines on auto-loading firearms, be they long or short barrel versions, like either the M-4, AR-15, MAC 10, Uzi, or Sig Sauer with 20 rounds. Neither do they need armor-piercing bullets, or bullet resistant (not really “proof”) vests, or body armor that IS pretty bullet proof (but not for a head shot!).
Up to the age of 65, I never felt the need for a firearm for self defense, having other non-lethal, AND lethal, techniques at my disposal. However, at 65 I discovered I’d slowed down a whole lot from my youth, however, a .45 APC had not slowed down a bit, so in a very few areas I do occasionally do have to go to, or through, a small “defensive” weapon (.38, not 45 however) does give a greater sense of “security”.
But for actual “home defense”, a dog, even a yappy little Chihuahua, may be a far better “weapon” than a gun. As when I had a 120 pound standard poodle in my childhood, who “ate” significant portions of TWO burglars before the police came and arrested them, it did prove the point that big, “family friendly” canines ARE pretty good protection as well.
dpbriley about 11 years ago
LOL, I, as well as others, have refuted your blatherings in the past, just because you refuse to accept that doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.Oh, and by the way, my post was in response to your first post here, where there is nothing to refute. It’s just, as I said before, demagoguery, left wing nut job talking points and personal opinion trying to look like fact and reason. Fails on both counts.I’m curious though, there are times that you have been reasonable, they are few and far between, but times. It’s almost like you leave the computer out in the shop and let anyone who works there write a rant when they like.Oh, and another thing, I don’t fit you stereotype label applied at the end of your current rant either, but keep trying.
genemascho about 11 years ago
people dont vote but complain my neighbor wont vote but complains about gov. they dont get it dont vote so the ones that do get to call the shot majorty rules always has way country has been run dont like it get people to vote your way or find a country that doesnt belive in democercy
Uncle Joe Premium Member about 11 years ago
“of the 90 regions in the US, Chicago ranks 90th, or dead last, pun intended, in the enforcement of federal gun laws.”Well it took me about 60 seconds to figure out that the TRAC report LaPierre is hyping is probably ranking by prosecutions per capita. The areas that I saw at the top of the list were mainly rural. You also ignore the fact that the overwhelming majority of prosecutions are under local or state laws. From the TRAC database site:“here are in fact numerous overlaps in the situations where gun crimes can be prosecuted by either state or local law enforcement or the federal government. Sometimes the decision of which jurisdiction — state or federal — will prosecute a gun offense depends upon the specifics of the laws, including which one calls for a longer prison sentence.”Try going back to original sources before referencing NRA talking points.
Uncle Joe Premium Member about 11 years ago
“Well then WHY do the surrounding burbs not have the same problems Chicago? Coukd it be that crooks, thieves, and murders don’t like it when their victims can shoot back? Nah, that’d be too logical.I know the gang bangers can’t afford cars or driver’s licenses to drive to the burgs. Hmm, no that’s not it either as i see them driving around and they make a bunch of money off drugs.”Concealed carry is still illegal in the whole state of Illinois & many suburbs have had restrictions on gun ownership longer than Chicago. What those places don’t have are jobless young men who join street gangs. Well, except as the inner city gentrifies, poverty is going to some of the burbs, along with all its problems.Chicago’s high murder rate is almost entirely due to intra-gang shootings. These guys are shooting at one another, despite knowing the other guy is packing. This negates the entire argument about criminals targeting people who they think are unarmed.It’s been well documented that most of the guns used by criminals in Chicago come from a few places where gun purchases are not as well regulated, especially Indiana & Mississippi.
Uncle Joe Premium Member about 11 years ago
“You carrying a gun makes you the number one target of a shooter. You’re the one who has to be taken out first.”The conservative argument is that concealed carry will make criminals think twice before shooting, but the reality is that it will make them use more violence.