@greyolddave – Ms. Benson’s teardrops are all over this cartoon. She may still be in support of Gun Rights as they have been practiced over the last few years, but she, like the rest of us, is obviously deeply affected.@douthett72 – veterans are killing themselves at the rate of one a day for lack of mental health protection in a culture that makes people who are emotionally or chemically at risk feel weak and belittled. And they have access to the entire VA resources.How can poor parents with no health care afford to have at risk children, children who are chemically or socially at risk, or who live in communities where violence is rampant, seen and properly cared for?@donaldo – Thank you for the stats, very good information and puts things into perspective. I just wish you would have ended your post with, “Guns don’t kill people, people with guns kill people.” I don’t see people like these shooters in Conn, Colo, Pa, and too many other places as “Americans”. The Americans were the teachers and principal who died trying to protect children. The Americans were the ones who shielded loved one from the movie theater shooter. The Americans were the first responders at all of these events who were ready to die themselves to save others.Americans can be killers, but in my opinion, REAL Americans protect the lives and rights of their neighbors.Respectfully,C.
Mass shootings have occurred where ever there are guns. Norway had one of the worst, and you don’t normally think of Norway as being violent. Canada had its Ecole Polytecknique where a disturbed young man killed fourteen women engineers..The difference between the U.S. and the rest of the world seems to be in the widespread availability of guns in the U.S.and the culture of gun ownership and sanctioned violence. The rest of the world would not have a mother showing a mentally disturbed child how to use her Glocks and Bushmaster..Another factor I have not heard mentioned is the effect of institutionalized killings of almost continuous warfare on the national psyche. This young man grew up not only playing violent video games, often based on real war, he grew up witnessing young men and women being hailed as heroes and defenders of the freedom as they go off to a foreign land to kill more alleged bad guys. The young man cheered as he scored another thousand kills on the computer screen, and the nation cheered when Shock and Awe killed and maimed a few hundred thousand men, women, and children innocent of the crimes of which they were accused. .And the nation expressed pride of superior technology when another President-authorized drone strike took out an alleged leader in his country defending his territory and his way of life. It is now possible to win war games without risk of life or the unpleasant task of dealing with the corpses of their innocent men, women, and children..And we wonder why our disturbed young are so insensitive to human feelings.
Circular argument. The NRA works hard to take any value out of gun laws, and works equally hard to find ways to cut enforcement dollars. Then, when something like this happens, they say that we don’t need more laws: we need to better enforce the laws we have. And then they send their drones to the Sunday AM news/talk shows to tell us that this is not the time to talk about this.
you people are totally thoughtless. yes, norway’s was one of the worst… and norway has TOTAL GUN CONTROL! so how does that prevent a tragedy like this??? LAWS AND LEGISLATION DO NOT PREVENT TRAGEDIES LIKE THIS FROM HAPPENING! THAT KID WOULD HAVE USED A KNIFE OR A BOMB IF HE DIDN’T HAVE A GUN!
Quote=donaldo said, about 5 hours agoGun kill statistics from last year…….-I don’t accept your numbers, “kill” is not defined; WHAT IS THE SOURCE?-“kill” may mean suicide, or self-defense, or accidental, or murder. “kill” how? poison? knife? there are many ways to “kill”…and many reasons….
Why was the Brady law allowed to expire? There was nothing in the law to prohibit your self defense nor hunting.Why was Representative Kaptur’s law in the House to ban sale of .50 caliber sniper rifles to “Known Terrorists” defeated?
Reading your post, I see where I might have been more lucid, but I agree with your points for the most part. Thank you for the kind words and the excellent post. Such constructive criticism is much appreciated.Respectfully,C.
Given the evidence that Lisa Bensons does not draw anything that differs from the party approved messages, in order for her to draw this means either her party masters . . . dribble . . . . dribble . . . . dribbleYou know what’s funny about your response, given the evidence that you don’t spout anything but party approved messages from your party masters, the first part of your response drowns out the other mainly well thought out points.Too bad . . . .
Mr. Ima and Onguard:Your comments quite amusingly proved the point of Donaldo’s post. Ima suggests that the US is more in the league of third world countries and warzones as opposed to the rest of industrialized western civilization.Onguard, these countries do not have a large criminal class like ours because they have certain levels of socialism mixed within their capitalism which provides for those in need (health care, pensions, housing if necessary) meaning less people need to turn to crime to get what they need to survive. You may have solved our problem – stricter gun laws, comprehensive social systems and health care, and you may prevent these massacres from happening as frequently in our country.
Yeah, so let’s start locking up every kid who looks different. We should do more to support people with Mental Health issues, but it’s not that easy to tell apart a kid who’s a little different from one who is going to commit murder.The sensible option is to make the weapons available less deadly. When a shooter has a semi-automatic rifle with a high capacity clip, the body count shoots up.
How many children have our Hellfires and 2,000 pound bombs killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, in illegal wars that were NOT pursued against the actual folks who DID attack the U.S. Those children played no part whatsoever.
Our idiotic refusal to ban high capacity magazines NOT needed for defense or personal protection, with semi-auto weapons, is idiotic indeed, and shameful, and a crime against humanity here at home.
Scott’s constant attack and whining about VA is also ludicrous. The Republicans in Congress have since “W” started two unnecessary wars, refused to fund VA at a rate to keep up with the need, thus the backlog in getting into the system, and reduced care in much of the country.
I’ve had pretty good service from VA as a disabled ’Nam vet, with a remote clinic in my little town,but yes, do keep my private insurance i got through my employer of 32 years. My son is getting pretty good care with Tricare and VA after his disability retirement. last week, when he was injured at school (run over by a cow, long story) he had no problem getting repaired, and having TRICARE pick up the tab.
What bothers me more is all the “right wingers” professing “patriotism”, who hate this country, and what it stands for, far more than any of the “libs” they constantly attack here, just like Benson.
Donaldo Premium Member over 11 years ago
Gun kill statistics from last year:Japan: 48 killsGreat Britain: 8 killsSwitzerland: 34 killsCanada: 54 killsIsrael: 58 killsSweden: 21 killsGermany: 48 killsUSA: 10.728 killsGuns don’t kill people. Americans kill people
greyolddave over 11 years ago
Lisa forgets that she has ridiculed gun controls in the past. Hopefully she is one of the conservatives who have opened their eyes.
chazandru over 11 years ago
@greyolddave – Ms. Benson’s teardrops are all over this cartoon. She may still be in support of Gun Rights as they have been practiced over the last few years, but she, like the rest of us, is obviously deeply affected.@douthett72 – veterans are killing themselves at the rate of one a day for lack of mental health protection in a culture that makes people who are emotionally or chemically at risk feel weak and belittled. And they have access to the entire VA resources.How can poor parents with no health care afford to have at risk children, children who are chemically or socially at risk, or who live in communities where violence is rampant, seen and properly cared for?@donaldo – Thank you for the stats, very good information and puts things into perspective. I just wish you would have ended your post with, “Guns don’t kill people, people with guns kill people.” I don’t see people like these shooters in Conn, Colo, Pa, and too many other places as “Americans”. The Americans were the teachers and principal who died trying to protect children. The Americans were the ones who shielded loved one from the movie theater shooter. The Americans were the first responders at all of these events who were ready to die themselves to save others.Americans can be killers, but in my opinion, REAL Americans protect the lives and rights of their neighbors.Respectfully,C.
Gypsy8 over 11 years ago
Mass shootings have occurred where ever there are guns. Norway had one of the worst, and you don’t normally think of Norway as being violent. Canada had its Ecole Polytecknique where a disturbed young man killed fourteen women engineers..The difference between the U.S. and the rest of the world seems to be in the widespread availability of guns in the U.S.and the culture of gun ownership and sanctioned violence. The rest of the world would not have a mother showing a mentally disturbed child how to use her Glocks and Bushmaster..Another factor I have not heard mentioned is the effect of institutionalized killings of almost continuous warfare on the national psyche. This young man grew up not only playing violent video games, often based on real war, he grew up witnessing young men and women being hailed as heroes and defenders of the freedom as they go off to a foreign land to kill more alleged bad guys. The young man cheered as he scored another thousand kills on the computer screen, and the nation cheered when Shock and Awe killed and maimed a few hundred thousand men, women, and children innocent of the crimes of which they were accused. .And the nation expressed pride of superior technology when another President-authorized drone strike took out an alleged leader in his country defending his territory and his way of life. It is now possible to win war games without risk of life or the unpleasant task of dealing with the corpses of their innocent men, women, and children..And we wonder why our disturbed young are so insensitive to human feelings.
DavidGBA over 11 years ago
I wonder how many of those foreign kills were tied to Americans?
I Play One On TV over 11 years ago
Circular argument. The NRA works hard to take any value out of gun laws, and works equally hard to find ways to cut enforcement dollars. Then, when something like this happens, they say that we don’t need more laws: we need to better enforce the laws we have. And then they send their drones to the Sunday AM news/talk shows to tell us that this is not the time to talk about this.
Time to interrupt the circle.
betseytacy over 11 years ago
you people are totally thoughtless. yes, norway’s was one of the worst… and norway has TOTAL GUN CONTROL! so how does that prevent a tragedy like this??? LAWS AND LEGISLATION DO NOT PREVENT TRAGEDIES LIKE THIS FROM HAPPENING! THAT KID WOULD HAVE USED A KNIFE OR A BOMB IF HE DIDN’T HAVE A GUN!
betseytacy over 11 years ago
PLUS… if the teacher had a gun or the janitor had a gun, they could have killed this guy BEFORE he killed so many!!! sheesh. where’s yer head, people?
disgustedtaxpayer over 11 years ago
Quote=donaldo said, about 5 hours agoGun kill statistics from last year…….-I don’t accept your numbers, “kill” is not defined; WHAT IS THE SOURCE?-“kill” may mean suicide, or self-defense, or accidental, or murder. “kill” how? poison? knife? there are many ways to “kill”…and many reasons….
Justice22 over 11 years ago
Why was the Brady law allowed to expire? There was nothing in the law to prohibit your self defense nor hunting.Why was Representative Kaptur’s law in the House to ban sale of .50 caliber sniper rifles to “Known Terrorists” defeated?
chazandru over 11 years ago
Reading your post, I see where I might have been more lucid, but I agree with your points for the most part. Thank you for the kind words and the excellent post. Such constructive criticism is much appreciated.Respectfully,C.
dpbriley over 11 years ago
Given the evidence that Lisa Bensons does not draw anything that differs from the party approved messages, in order for her to draw this means either her party masters . . . dribble . . . . dribble . . . . dribbleYou know what’s funny about your response, given the evidence that you don’t spout anything but party approved messages from your party masters, the first part of your response drowns out the other mainly well thought out points.Too bad . . . .
Fourcrows over 11 years ago
Mr. Ima and Onguard:Your comments quite amusingly proved the point of Donaldo’s post. Ima suggests that the US is more in the league of third world countries and warzones as opposed to the rest of industrialized western civilization.Onguard, these countries do not have a large criminal class like ours because they have certain levels of socialism mixed within their capitalism which provides for those in need (health care, pensions, housing if necessary) meaning less people need to turn to crime to get what they need to survive. You may have solved our problem – stricter gun laws, comprehensive social systems and health care, and you may prevent these massacres from happening as frequently in our country.
Uncle Joe Premium Member over 11 years ago
Yeah, so let’s start locking up every kid who looks different. We should do more to support people with Mental Health issues, but it’s not that easy to tell apart a kid who’s a little different from one who is going to commit murder.The sensible option is to make the weapons available less deadly. When a shooter has a semi-automatic rifle with a high capacity clip, the body count shoots up.
rowena28 Premium Member over 11 years ago
I was expecting a sickening anti-gun control comic from Benson today. I am pleasantly surprised.
TheFinalSolution over 11 years ago
You left out Sep 11, 2001
19 terrorists killed almost 3000 with airplanes taken over using the dreaded gun known as a box cutter! Now add “your statistics up”.
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
How many children have our Hellfires and 2,000 pound bombs killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, in illegal wars that were NOT pursued against the actual folks who DID attack the U.S. Those children played no part whatsoever.
Our idiotic refusal to ban high capacity magazines NOT needed for defense or personal protection, with semi-auto weapons, is idiotic indeed, and shameful, and a crime against humanity here at home.
Scott’s constant attack and whining about VA is also ludicrous. The Republicans in Congress have since “W” started two unnecessary wars, refused to fund VA at a rate to keep up with the need, thus the backlog in getting into the system, and reduced care in much of the country.
I’ve had pretty good service from VA as a disabled ’Nam vet, with a remote clinic in my little town,but yes, do keep my private insurance i got through my employer of 32 years. My son is getting pretty good care with Tricare and VA after his disability retirement. last week, when he was injured at school (run over by a cow, long story) he had no problem getting repaired, and having TRICARE pick up the tab.
What bothers me more is all the “right wingers” professing “patriotism”, who hate this country, and what it stands for, far more than any of the “libs” they constantly attack here, just like Benson.