In Kentucky, they used education as a reason to vote for the lottery. The lottery has been in place for about 20 years, but very little of it has ever gone to education. In fact, the SEEK account (the main education fund) and the KETS funds (the education technology account) have declined and teacher pay likewise has declined, due to general budget needs in a worsening economy.
Morty, I live in California. They always tag schools as needing more money. The state is totally mismanaged, raped by the public employee unions and will probably be the first state to file a formal bankruptcy. California is a liberal heaven, unfortunately they are totally out of money and keep making things worse…
As long as self interested politicians from both sides continue to pass legislation with loopholes for friends who donate to them, our states and nation will be mismanaged. The people making the laws are making the rules and the profits go to them and their donors. If a law can’t be understood by a high school graduate, it should be rewritten. Hiding “escape clauses” in the rules that give advantages to one group over another is unethical and dishonorable. Just because its legal doesn’t make it right.Respectfully,C.
When I read comments saying that Democrats are welfare queens who don’t work and don’t pay taxes and expect everyone else to support them I really wonder what’s gone on to create that kind of ignorant stereotyping. It’s not just a personal failing — the mindless blatherings of some random idiot — because it’s so widespread. I guess the right wing big money people have been really successful in their propaganda campaign. I suppose some of those making these comments are people who have struggled to make ends meet and resent anything they perceive as a threat to their rather fragile security. I can understand that. And the big money conservatives have managed to convince them that social programs don’t benefit them. For example, they have managed to convince a lot of people that a universal health insurance program is somehow a money grab by the government, rather than a safety net particularly for people who don’t have a lot of money stashed away in case of emergency. (I know first hand about the financial consequences of a sudden medical catastrophe, and I am very glad my family had good insurance.) The attack on teachers is particularly baffling. Teachers aren’t rich. They are middle class. The work hard and they perform an essential service in our society. Some are good at what they do and some aren’t, just like everybody. Why are they such a target of resentment? Again, I think the rich have managed to divert attention from themselves onto people who aren’t any part of the problem at all. If you resent people who make a lot of money for no particular reason with no evidence that they actually do any good for society, pick on financial analysts, for instance, not teachers.
great I’m a pervert I was thinking he was a child molester getting candy to give to kids I am so going to hell. But on the other subject the more you give them the more they will spend and will still have the problem you started with To big of a government with high pay and benefits
1. Most areas, teachers and other public employees are pretty much “middle class” and median income for the communities where they live, or below, for equivalent education and experience. This is always ignored by “conservatives”, especially the “blue collar masses” being told by their “1% er” bosses how tough it is to make yacht payments with all those taxes they evade.
2. Most lottery states have CONTRACTORS running the lotteries, and machines, and taking “more than tidy” profits off the top, no matter where the limited income to the state ends up, the contractors generally end up with more of the cut.
Do you even know why most teachers are liberal? I’ve seen this complaint over and over. Teachers are liberal because they are not motivated by profit and truly want to educate. Ask any teacher. If you can find one who says, “Because the pay is so great,” I’ll eat this bucket of worms.
Where do your oranges, celery, wine, lettuce and other produce come from? Why are California’s refineries still working? They are still exporting their products to Japan and China. How about R&D for the electronics industry? Sure, they develop the devices and then let the factories in India and China produce for them and steal the tehnology. If they do produce a product, WalMart will tell them they have to move their factory so they can get the product for 35 cents less, not that it will cost the consumer less. City councils with $million salaries don’t help.
The liberal ingnorance is staggering . . . The Teacher’s Union in California has to much political sway, numerous times they have essentially shutdown legislation and propositions that would have given choice to families in selecting a school and giving control back to parents on their childrens education. That’s just one example of why the Teachers Union is resented in this state, there are numerous others.The public employee unions have basically raped the state and local governments, with the democrats enabling the behavior over and over again. Name a job where an employee can retire after 20 years at 70% of final pay, then get another government job, work another 20 years and get another retirement? Oh, and did I mention that most have all of their benefits paid for, they contribute NOTHING! It’s basically rape of the taxpayers and the public employees seem to feel entitled to this. When taxpayers working to support this insanity have to work until they are into their late 60’s and many will not get a pension even close to what the public employees get, is that fair? Again, just one of numerous examples of the malfesance in the government of this state.Finally to those morons that think 13% isn’t that bad, if you are in the highest tax bracket you are paying the highest federal rate for in come tax, so what is in now 35%? So you are now getting raped at 48% and that doesn’t even take into consideration the other taxes you have to pay, so over 8% sales tax, gas taxes that are the highest in the nation, the highest fees on business in the nation, the list goes on and on. So I ask, what’s the “fair share” you moronic democrats think those that work, improve themsleves and are successful should pay? When is it going to be enough?I will not be voting for this prop. and will be voting yes on 32 as well, it’s time to stop opening my wallet to bail out the poor decision making, malefesance and corruption in Sacramento as well as Washington.
Lol @ DrCanuck, please supply the definition that states that and the source, that’s just hilarious.John Locke would spit in your face at your definition and how you practice your “liberalism.” You should probably get a little better education . . . . oops.
aguirra3 over 11 years ago
Looks just like Moonbeam…great one Lisa.
willikiii over 11 years ago
Gov. Moonbeam and the CA Assembly strike again!!!
When are the people of CA gonna figure out it’s THEIR money and not Sacramento’s?
No wonder the Exodus of employers is becoming a flood of Noah’s proportions.
The last guy out needs to turn off the lights if they haven’t already been doused by then through Sacramento’s tax and spend actions.
Plods with ...™ over 11 years ago
They should use a lottery to help fund schools like other states do.
Snoopy_Fan over 11 years ago
In Kentucky, they used education as a reason to vote for the lottery. The lottery has been in place for about 20 years, but very little of it has ever gone to education. In fact, the SEEK account (the main education fund) and the KETS funds (the education technology account) have declined and teacher pay likewise has declined, due to general budget needs in a worsening economy.
Mickey 13 over 11 years ago
Morty, I live in California. They always tag schools as needing more money. The state is totally mismanaged, raped by the public employee unions and will probably be the first state to file a formal bankruptcy. California is a liberal heaven, unfortunately they are totally out of money and keep making things worse…
chazandru over 11 years ago
As long as self interested politicians from both sides continue to pass legislation with loopholes for friends who donate to them, our states and nation will be mismanaged. The people making the laws are making the rules and the profits go to them and their donors. If a law can’t be understood by a high school graduate, it should be rewritten. Hiding “escape clauses” in the rules that give advantages to one group over another is unethical and dishonorable. Just because its legal doesn’t make it right.Respectfully,C.
lonecat over 11 years ago
When I read comments saying that Democrats are welfare queens who don’t work and don’t pay taxes and expect everyone else to support them I really wonder what’s gone on to create that kind of ignorant stereotyping. It’s not just a personal failing — the mindless blatherings of some random idiot — because it’s so widespread. I guess the right wing big money people have been really successful in their propaganda campaign. I suppose some of those making these comments are people who have struggled to make ends meet and resent anything they perceive as a threat to their rather fragile security. I can understand that. And the big money conservatives have managed to convince them that social programs don’t benefit them. For example, they have managed to convince a lot of people that a universal health insurance program is somehow a money grab by the government, rather than a safety net particularly for people who don’t have a lot of money stashed away in case of emergency. (I know first hand about the financial consequences of a sudden medical catastrophe, and I am very glad my family had good insurance.) The attack on teachers is particularly baffling. Teachers aren’t rich. They are middle class. The work hard and they perform an essential service in our society. Some are good at what they do and some aren’t, just like everybody. Why are they such a target of resentment? Again, I think the rich have managed to divert attention from themselves onto people who aren’t any part of the problem at all. If you resent people who make a lot of money for no particular reason with no evidence that they actually do any good for society, pick on financial analysts, for instance, not teachers.
rini1946 over 11 years ago
great I’m a pervert I was thinking he was a child molester getting candy to give to kids I am so going to hell. But on the other subject the more you give them the more they will spend and will still have the problem you started with To big of a government with high pay and benefits
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
1. Most areas, teachers and other public employees are pretty much “middle class” and median income for the communities where they live, or below, for equivalent education and experience. This is always ignored by “conservatives”, especially the “blue collar masses” being told by their “1% er” bosses how tough it is to make yacht payments with all those taxes they evade.
2. Most lottery states have CONTRACTORS running the lotteries, and machines, and taking “more than tidy” profits off the top, no matter where the limited income to the state ends up, the contractors generally end up with more of the cut.
tangent001 over 11 years ago
@Ima
Do you even know why most teachers are liberal? I’ve seen this complaint over and over. Teachers are liberal because they are not motivated by profit and truly want to educate. Ask any teacher. If you can find one who says, “Because the pay is so great,” I’ll eat this bucket of worms.
Justice22 over 11 years ago
Where do your oranges, celery, wine, lettuce and other produce come from? Why are California’s refineries still working? They are still exporting their products to Japan and China. How about R&D for the electronics industry? Sure, they develop the devices and then let the factories in India and China produce for them and steal the tehnology. If they do produce a product, WalMart will tell them they have to move their factory so they can get the product for 35 cents less, not that it will cost the consumer less. City councils with $million salaries don’t help.
dpbriley over 11 years ago
The liberal ingnorance is staggering . . . The Teacher’s Union in California has to much political sway, numerous times they have essentially shutdown legislation and propositions that would have given choice to families in selecting a school and giving control back to parents on their childrens education. That’s just one example of why the Teachers Union is resented in this state, there are numerous others.The public employee unions have basically raped the state and local governments, with the democrats enabling the behavior over and over again. Name a job where an employee can retire after 20 years at 70% of final pay, then get another government job, work another 20 years and get another retirement? Oh, and did I mention that most have all of their benefits paid for, they contribute NOTHING! It’s basically rape of the taxpayers and the public employees seem to feel entitled to this. When taxpayers working to support this insanity have to work until they are into their late 60’s and many will not get a pension even close to what the public employees get, is that fair? Again, just one of numerous examples of the malfesance in the government of this state.Finally to those morons that think 13% isn’t that bad, if you are in the highest tax bracket you are paying the highest federal rate for in come tax, so what is in now 35%? So you are now getting raped at 48% and that doesn’t even take into consideration the other taxes you have to pay, so over 8% sales tax, gas taxes that are the highest in the nation, the highest fees on business in the nation, the list goes on and on. So I ask, what’s the “fair share” you moronic democrats think those that work, improve themsleves and are successful should pay? When is it going to be enough?I will not be voting for this prop. and will be voting yes on 32 as well, it’s time to stop opening my wallet to bail out the poor decision making, malefesance and corruption in Sacramento as well as Washington.
chazandru over 11 years ago
Virginia also spends too much advertising the lottery.C.a resident of the great state of confusion we call….Virginia.
lonecat over 11 years ago
I hadn’t actually heard anyone say we should have tax increases with no spending cuts. I have heard people ask for a balanced approach.
dpbriley over 11 years ago
Lol @ DrCanuck, please supply the definition that states that and the source, that’s just hilarious.John Locke would spit in your face at your definition and how you practice your “liberalism.” You should probably get a little better education . . . . oops.
Syed.Hosain over 11 years ago
I see … rob the rich is okay by your standards?
When the government does it, it is not “robbing”, I guess … sad.